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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 22, 2019 14:39:02 GMT -5
Camargo in RF was a better option. He's not clearly a better option. Winker is clearly a better option. Winker is not clearly better than Nick or Camargo. He’s very weak defensively, he played 89 games last year and had a 0.9 WAR. This year he has a 0.2 WAR and a 106 wRC+. He’s actually clearly inferior. I like Winker as a hitter but not his defense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 19:38:49 GMT -5
I am not super high on Sonny Gray, got to admit that I do not know his numbers this yr (got to look it up) but his ups and downs in his career turns me off
Now on the other guys, Winker is a good player (do not know much about his all around game) and I do not know much about the other guys Garrett and Iglesias
I honestly do not know much about the Reds roster cause I have not paid much attention to it. They have played themselves in a postion to compete for a WC at this time so they are not that bad
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 19:56:33 GMT -5
I took a look at Iglesis' numbers -- I do not like the 6 losses in relief or the 1.35 WHIP for my closer -- Pass
He has alot of career losses in relief - red flag for me
As for Gray, he has mediocre numbers this yr - not only do I say no but HELL no
Garrett has some redeeming qualities but is he the answer for what we need
Winker -- nah, not really. Down the stretch I will prefer the steadiness of Nick with Culberson spelling him - but I like Nick better than most of those on this fourm. Now, next yr when Waters is ready of course play him - we might be better off with our own anyway
I prefer trading three or four guys for one quality piece that can really help now
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jul 2, 2019 9:36:09 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/ender-inciarte-begins-rehab-assignment.htmlDecision time is looming. Not sure what the Braves can do with Ender. If they activate him, he needs to play in order to build up any kind of trade value. But he weakens what has been a tremendously strong offense. If they use him for the bench then either we have to go with one less in the pen, DFA Joyce or send Camargo down to AAA - none of which are good options. I certainly don't envy AA with this decision.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 2, 2019 11:06:21 GMT -5
I think all of baseball knows what Ender is, to me his value is well established. The only question mark is can he show he’s healthy. To me he could do that in AAA, then trade him for a decent bullpen arm.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 2, 2019 11:14:46 GMT -5
Well, according to the trade machine, we can get Smith, Watson, and Bumgarner from the Giants for him, and they would still owe us players. Methinks the trade machine is quite inaccurate.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jul 2, 2019 11:29:19 GMT -5
I think all of baseball knows what Ender is, to me his value is well established. The only question mark is can he show he’s healthy. To me he could do that in AAA, then trade him for a decent bullpen arm. Minter was once considered a decent bullpen arm
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Post by akod on Jul 2, 2019 11:48:03 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/ender-inciarte-begins-rehab-assignment.htmlDecision time is looming. Not sure what the Braves can do with Ender. If they activate him, he needs to play in order to build up any kind of trade value. But he weakens what has been a tremendously strong offense. If they use him for the bench then either we have to go with one less in the pen, DFA Joyce or send Camargo down to AAA - none of which are good options. I certainly don't envy AA with this decision. I envy him, this is a great problem to have that he manufactured. Kudos to the man for putting himself in this position... I would personally like Ender to spend quite a bit of time in the minors working on launch angle and swinging through the ball. His poke it out there approach needs to go with this juiced ball era. Beast, great point on the “decent reliever” comment. Not very long ago Ender could fetch a Javy Baez. Does it really kill us to try and get this notorious second half hitter going? Walker and Weigel could very well be ready to contribute in the pen in a month. Joyce could easily fall off the map, starting pitchers could drop like flies and we will need to hit the market (certainly has happened before), Acuna could get hurt and we would need Ender pretty bad at that point trying to account for Riley’s range in left. I would rather find other means of attaining bullpen arms as even a controllable arm playing well this year will likely regress next year.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 2, 2019 12:43:11 GMT -5
Well, according to the trade machine, we can get Smith, Watson, and Bumgarner from the Giants for him, and they would still owe us players. Methinks the trade machine is quite inaccurate. It's is accurate. Inciarte has two really good things going for him; defense and a cheap contract. Both of these result in him having a lot of surplus value. If you're a low-payroll team and you value defense, then Inciarte is a good get. You have to remember that a player's value is based on TOTAL WAR and their contract. If the cost of 1.0 WAR on the open market is $9 million, then a 1.0 WAR player is worth $9 million. Inciarte is, roughly, a 3.0 WAR player, mostly derived from defense, and he's $5.7 million, this year, and $16.4 million over the following two years. He's immensely valuable.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 2, 2019 13:27:31 GMT -5
Well, according to the trade machine, we can get Smith, Watson, and Bumgarner from the Giants for him, and they would still owe us players. Methinks the trade machine is quite inaccurate. It's is accurate. Inciarte has two really good things going for him; defense and a cheap contract. Both of these result in him having a lot of surplus value. If you're a low-payroll team and you value defense, then Inciarte is a good get. You have to remember that a player's value is based on TOTAL WAR and their contract. If the cost of 1.0 WAR on the open market is $9 million, then a 1.0 WAR player is worth $9 million. Inciarte is, roughly, a 3.0 WAR player, mostly derived from defense, and he's $5.7 million, this year, and $16.4 million over the following two years. He's immensely valuable. Well, if that's the case, we need to get him traded, because I'm betting that Pache would be at least as good as Ender if the need arose immediately.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jul 2, 2019 14:30:15 GMT -5
Alex Anthopolous - Have I got a deal for you. Fahran Zaidi - Go ahead AA - Ender Inciarte for Will Smith, Tony Watson and Mad ...
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 2, 2019 14:42:02 GMT -5
It's is accurate. Inciarte has two really good things going for him; defense and a cheap contract. Both of these result in him having a lot of surplus value. If you're a low-payroll team and you value defense, then Inciarte is a good get. You have to remember that a player's value is based on TOTAL WAR and their contract. If the cost of 1.0 WAR on the open market is $9 million, then a 1.0 WAR player is worth $9 million. Inciarte is, roughly, a 3.0 WAR player, mostly derived from defense, and he's $5.7 million, this year, and $16.4 million over the following two years. He's immensely valuable. Well, if that's the case, we need to get him traded, because I'm betting that Pache would be at least as good as Ender if the need arose immediately. Defensively? Absolutely. Offensively? Up in the air.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 2, 2019 14:43:17 GMT -5
Alex Anthopolous - Have I got a deal for you. Fahran Zaidi - Go ahead AA - Ender Inciarte for Will Smith, Tony Watson and Mad ... click That's certainly one way to look at it. Of course, your assumption is that Zaidi values Inciarte like you value Inciarte.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 2, 2019 16:04:28 GMT -5
Well, according to the trade machine, we can get Smith, Watson, and Bumgarner from the Giants for him, and they would still owe us players. Methinks the trade machine is quite inaccurate. It's is accurate. Inciarte has two really good things going for him; defense and a cheap contract. Both of these result in him having a lot of surplus value. If you're a low-payroll team and you value defense, then Inciarte is a good get. You have to remember that a player's value is based on TOTAL WAR and their contract. If the cost of 1.0 WAR on the open market is $9 million, then a 1.0 WAR player is worth $9 million. Inciarte is, roughly, a 3.0 WAR player, mostly derived from defense, and he's $5.7 million, this year, and $16.4 million over the following two years. He's immensely valuable. Ender has a career wRC+ of 93 and can be counted on to have an OPS under .700 for the first 3-4 months of every season. His WAR is always based on his defense, every team in baseball is well aware of all that. He is one case where I don't think the numbers add up to what his value would seem to be if you go by numbers. At times numbers can be deceiving, we all know that, and I'm sure GMs in baseball are well aware of what Ender's real value actually is.
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Post by keystone61 on Jul 2, 2019 16:09:14 GMT -5
It's is accurate. Inciarte has two really good things going for him; defense and a cheap contract. Both of these result in him having a lot of surplus value. If you're a low-payroll team and you value defense, then Inciarte is a good get. You have to remember that a player's value is based on TOTAL WAR and their contract. If the cost of 1.0 WAR on the open market is $9 million, then a 1.0 WAR player is worth $9 million. Inciarte is, roughly, a 3.0 WAR player, mostly derived from defense, and he's $5.7 million, this year, and $16.4 million over the following two years. He's immensely valuable. Ender has a career wRC+ of 93 and can be counted on to have an OPS under .700 for the first 3-4 months of every season. His WAR is always based on his defense, every team in baseball is well aware of all that. He is one case where I don't think the numbers add up to what his value would seem to be if you go by numbers. At times numbers can be deceiving, we all know that, and I'm sure GMs in baseball are well aware of what Ender's real value actually is. The trade machine has Ender at 64 and Freeman at 35. Ummmmmmmm.....OK.
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