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Post by keystone61 on May 19, 2019 9:10:13 GMT -5
With Riley's arrival in Atlanta, figuring out what to do with Ender just got tougher. Obviously, Riley will come down to earth, but it certainly looks like he's legit. We are considerably weaker defensively in the outfield with him playing out there, though. I like Ender, but his hitting is just unacceptable. With Badhaircut blocking Riley this year, what do we do? Send Riley back down? Trade Ender, play Riley in left, and wait for next year? Riley WILL slump, at which point he becomes a liability. Tough call. Nice problem, I guess, but a tough call nonetheless.
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Post by akod on May 19, 2019 9:30:55 GMT -5
Wait. Right now you just wait and have Ender go through extensive “rehab” in the minors. Try and get that swing going while not technically demoting him.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 19, 2019 10:30:40 GMT -5
I trade him either alone, or with Duvall, or with a mid level prospect for one or two good lefty relievers. The only way we get screwed is if Acuna gets hurt. I’m not worried about selling low on Ender, he’s been in the league long enough and showed the exact same patterns long enough that everybody knows what he is. He has some decent value because of his defense, but there’s no time to sell high on him because everybody knows what will happen the first four months of every season with his whiffle bat.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 19, 2019 10:58:39 GMT -5
I still don't know how many teams are ready to add a player at this moment. I think you find a spot for him as the defensive replacement OF, pinch-runner, low leverage situation pinch-hitter until such time as more teams may be interested in adding and then you can package him with someone else for a little something.
So shorten the pen one player and try and use guys like Newk and Touk for 1 or 2 full innings out of the pen to compensate.
Plus, holding on Ender until teams are more ready to make a move increases a return a bit, and gives you that insurance policy for making sure Riley sticks and your other outfielders remain healthy.
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Post by keystone61 on May 20, 2019 20:20:21 GMT -5
I still don't know how many teams are ready to add a player at this moment. I think you find a spot for him as the defensive replacement OF, pinch-runner, low leverage situation pinch-hitter until such time as more teams may be interested in adding and then you can package him with someone else for a little something. So shorten the pen one player and try and use guys like Newk and Touk for 1 or 2 full innings out of the pen to compensate. Plus, holding on Ender until teams are more ready to make a move increases a return a bit, and gives you that insurance policy for making sure Riley sticks and your other outfielders remain healthy. All very good points.
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Post by Cheaters2 on May 23, 2019 11:52:37 GMT -5
Why not package Donaldson and Ender to a team like the Yankees who could use them both right now? Riley could play Third with Camargo backing him up and Duvall who's hitting really well at AAA right now could come up and play left field. This would also free up money to sign Kimbrel after the draft
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 23, 2019 14:22:13 GMT -5
Why not package Donaldson and Ender to a team like the Yankees who could use them both right now? Riley could play Third with Camargo backing him up and Duvall who's hitting really well at AAA right now could come up and play left field. This would also free up money to sign Kimbrel after the draft I would actually vote yes for that, but I’d be willing to bet a lot of money JD isn’t getting traded unless we’re out of contention by the deadline. And I think we sign Kimbrel no matter what after the draft. I’d be very in favor of trading Ender and Duvall for whatever bullpen help we can get, but I have a feeling Ender isn’t getting traded either.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 23, 2019 18:29:15 GMT -5
It would have to be a great return.
We are in the hunt and you are talking about an outfield of Acuña, an aging Kakes who fell off a cliff last year, and you're counting on the Duvalololol.
I'm not so sure the return on relief pitchers I assume would be worth that risk. If Duval goes back to being the only Duval I have seen, that's a blow to the offense.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 23, 2019 20:54:29 GMT -5
Ya, why don't we make a trade that hurts the Braves depth. Tell me again what helped the Dodgers get to back-to-back World Series?
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 24, 2019 12:19:08 GMT -5
Ya, why don't we make a trade that hurts the Braves depth. Tell me again what helped the Dodgers get to back-to-back World Series?$240M/year payrolls.
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Post by mauibravefan on May 24, 2019 12:42:10 GMT -5
Ender fits the fast,defense first outfielder type most teams want especially when the rosters expand.Right now I think he is a luxury we can afford
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 24, 2019 15:38:24 GMT -5
Ender fits the fast,defense first outfielder type most teams want especially when the rosters expand.Right now I think he is a luxury we can afford Without Ender we have Acuna, Riley, Camargo, Markakis, Charlie, Joyce and Duvall to cover the OF. To me that's plenty. We're obviously giving up some defense this way but gaining a ton offensively. Throw in the help we could get for our bullpen, which is a huge need, I see moving Ender as advantageous. I'll repeat I'm not worried about selling low on him, there's no selling high on him, he is what he is and everybody knows that.
It is a bit more complicated at this point because our pen is doing better for the most part lately, and if we have a plan to sign Kimbrel then keeping Ender becomes more feasible. But dear Lord not as a starter and make him the last guy off the bench offensively. Pinch running and in late for defense only.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 24, 2019 18:06:04 GMT -5
What we were talking about and what you noted you would say yes to was a trade of Donaldson and Ender, so you can't claim Riley and Camargo are both still outfielders.
I'm assuming that Riley becomes your every day 3rd baseman.
That leaves Acuña in Center
Duval, a guy routinely ridiculed by most everyone in LF.
Markakis who completely fell off the table in the 2nd half last year in RF.
That leaves Camargo who also has to be your primary IF sub.
Charlie and Joyce are your left and right bats off the bench.
The deal including Donaldson shortens your lineup. If Duval is a complete bust, a distinct possibility; then you have really shortened the bench with no one who can really play center.
If I could give up Ender and Duval.. that's one thing I would be likely to do. If it was JD and Ender, it would have to be a helluva couple relief pitchers I was getting back. I don't know that the I would get the return I would want this early in the season.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 24, 2019 18:24:14 GMT -5
Ya, why don't we make a trade that hurts the Braves depth. Tell me again what helped the Dodgers get to back-to-back World Series?$240M/year payrolls. Wrong answer! Judges were looking for depth as the answer.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 24, 2019 19:17:50 GMT -5
What we were talking about and what you noted you would say yes to was a trade of Donaldson and Ender, so you can't claim Riley and Camargo are both still outfielders. I'm assuming that Riley becomes your every day 3rd baseman. That leaves Acuña in Center Duval, a guy routinely ridiculed by most everyone in LF. Markakis who completely fell off the table in the 2nd half last year in RF. That leaves Camargo who also has to be your primary IF sub. Charlie and Joyce are your left and right bats off the bench. The deal including Donaldson shortens your lineup. If Duval is a complete bust, a distinct possibility; then you have really shortened the bench with no one who can really play center. If I could give up Ender and Duval.. that's one thing I would be likely to do. If it was JD and Ender, it would have to be a helluva couple relief pitchers I was getting back. I don't know that the I would get the return I would want this early in the season. Yes, duly noted, I did forget that part of the original discussion. Partly though because I felt like there's zero percent chance of JD being traded. So we keep JD and we keep Riley in the OF, and I still feel comfortable with the other guys we have out there too. In exchange for improving the pen. I don't mind giving up some depth and defense to improve the pen, I feel like we simply aren't going anywhere if we don't fix the pen.
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