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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 27, 2019 3:33:47 GMT -5
Camargo's career wRC+ is 34 points higher than Dansby's. You really think Dansby's defense is comparatively that much better than Camargo would be defensively at SS??? I'd be willing to bet that Camargo has as good an arm if not better, and it's not like he hasn't shown he has equally good a set of hands for fielding....the only thing left would be range and I don't think Dansby's is THAT much more significant. Again it's hard to judge that because we haven't seen Camargo play SS enough in the big leagues.
Dansby really improved his defense a lot this past season, but it's not like he's Andrelton Simmons out there.
Ya, I think it. I think the Braves are in an infinitely better position to make that call and they clearly have. I’m not about to assume that the Braves, who know the defensive abilities of both players, and work with them everyday, don’t know the answer to that question. If you feel that way about their judgement on that issue then surely you must have the same faith in their decision to sign Markakis to play RF again.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 27, 2019 3:39:44 GMT -5
Ya, I think it. I think the Braves are in an infinitely better position to make that call and they clearly have. I’m not about to assume that the Braves, who know the defensive abilities of both players, and work with them everyday, don’t know the answer to that question. If you feel that way about their judgement on that issue then surely you must have the same faith in their decision to sign Markakis to play RF again. That would presume that I think the Braves are infallible in every decision they make. Plus, that's a very simple way of looking at the complex situation that is the free agent and trade market. It's apples and oranges.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 27, 2019 7:51:05 GMT -5
If you feel that way about their judgement on that issue then surely you must have the same faith in their decision to sign Markakis to play RF again. That would presume that I think the Braves are infallible in every decision they make. Plus, that's a very simple way of looking at the complex situation that is the free agent and trade market. It's apples and oranges. So they know what they’re doing.....sometimes. How are we to know in advance when they are infallible and when they aren’t? I would presume that is completely arbitrary and based mostly on our opinions.
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Post by jryanw on Jan 27, 2019 10:17:46 GMT -5
That would presume that I think the Braves are infallible in every decision they make. Plus, that's a very simple way of looking at the complex situation that is the free agent and trade market. It's apples and oranges. So they know what they’re doing.....sometimes. How are we to know in advance when they are infallible and when they aren’t? I would presume that is completely arbitrary and based mostly on our opinions. Doesn't that describe everything we discuss here? Isn't everything we talk about arbitrary and based mostly on opinions? To the best of my knowledge we don't have any "insiders" on this forum.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 27, 2019 13:02:36 GMT -5
So they know what they’re doing.....sometimes. How are we to know in advance when they are infallible and when they aren’t? I would presume that is completely arbitrary and based mostly on our opinions. Doesn't that describe everything we discuss here? Isn't everything we talk about arbitrary and based mostly on opinions? To the best of my knowledge we don't have any "insiders" on this forum. Yes I would say at least 90-98% of the things discussed on an internet forum are that way--we often use stats, which keeps it from being 100%, but even then the conclusions we draw are often (or maybe always) still just opinions. But my comment about that was made towards a bigger point here, in regards to how much are we supposed to trust management's decisions. I'm willing to trust them almost 100% of the time because they do have more access and direct knowledge than we do, but I'm going to speak up when I disagree--no team is always right, in fact every team makes some bad decisions every year. Part of being a fan is calling out the ones you think you see before they play out or as they are playing out.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 27, 2019 14:01:54 GMT -5
That would presume that I think the Braves are infallible in every decision they make. Plus, that's a very simple way of looking at the complex situation that is the free agent and trade market. It's apples and oranges. So they know what they’re doing.....sometimes. How are we to know in advance when they are infallible and when they aren’t? I would presume that is completely arbitrary and based mostly on our opinions. Yes and no. When it comes to grading their defense, the Braves just have to watch and work with them. They can then make an accurate assessment and make a decision, one way or the other. They can do the same thing with free agents and trades, but ultimately the decision isn’t there’s to make. Free agents choose and rival GMs choose. Hence the comparison being apples and oranges.
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Post by efrasjourney on Jan 28, 2019 13:23:10 GMT -5
On a side note, Willie McGee might be the ugliest dude in the history of baseball......LMAO. Also, the ugliest batting stance
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 28, 2019 14:38:40 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 28, 2019 14:59:47 GMT -5
You've also never seen an uglier swing than the ones McGee took on low and inside curveballs when he was batting left handed.
And yet somehow he hit .295 for his career, won two batting titles (one with a .353 average, second highest ever for a switch hitter), and had a 7.1 WAR season and a 4.8 WAR season.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Feb 18, 2019 10:19:43 GMT -5
Decided to revisit this post since there's been some talk in camp about how the lineup will be constructed. Hate the idea of a non-power guy like Nick being behind Freddie so here's what I'm hoping for:
vs. RHP LF Acuna RF Markakis 1B Freeman 3B Donaldson 2B Albies C McCann SS Swanson CF Inciarte
vs. LHP CF Acuna RF Markakis 1B Freeman 3B Donaldson 2B Albies LF Duvall C Flowers SS Swanson
I think Nick would be a good #2 hitter cause he has the patience to give Acuna a chance to swipe bases and can hit to all fields. He's much more of a prototypical #2 guy than a cleanup hitter. On the RH side, depending on who's hitting better, you could probably flip-flop Ender and Dansby, but if he hits as he's capable, I think Swanson has more pop and needs to be at 7. On the LH side, if Duvall hits with the power he's capable of, I'd probably switch him and Ozzie.
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Post by keystone61 on Feb 18, 2019 12:42:15 GMT -5
Decided to revisit this post since there's been some talk in camp about how the lineup will be constructed. Hate the idea of a non-power guy like Nick being behind Freddie so here's what I'm hoping for: vs. RHP LF Acuna RF Markakis 1B Freeman 3B Donaldson 2B Albies C McCann SS Swanson CF Inciarte vs. LHP CF Acuna RF Markakis 1B Freeman 3B Donaldson 2B Albies LF Duvall C Flowers SS Swanson I think Nick would be a good #2 hitter cause he has the patience to give Acuna a chance to swipe bases and can hit to all fields. He's much more of a prototypical #2 guy than a cleanup hitter. On the RH side, depending on who's hitting better, you could probably flip-flop Ender and Dansby, but if he hits as he's capable, I think Swanson has more pop and needs to be at 7. On the LH side, if Duvall hits with the power he's capable of, I'd probably switch him and Ozzie. I actually agree with Nick hitting 2nd. I don't understand the seemingly immovable proposition that Donaldson bat 2nd. I realize that everything that was relied on statistically for the first 145 or so years of baseball has been thrown out the window with the arrival of advanced metrics, but Donaldson hardly seems like a #2 hole guy to me. Neck is gonna make contact........isn't that still what you want from a #2 (although I realize the potential for double plays)??
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 18, 2019 13:18:17 GMT -5
Decided to revisit this post since there's been some talk in camp about how the lineup will be constructed. Hate the idea of a non-power guy like Nick being behind Freddie so here's what I'm hoping for: vs. RHP LF Acuna RF Markakis 1B Freeman 3B Donaldson 2B Albies C McCann SS Swanson CF Inciarte vs. LHP CF Acuna RF Markakis 1B Freeman 3B Donaldson 2B Albies LF Duvall C Flowers SS Swanson I think Nick would be a good #2 hitter cause he has the patience to give Acuna a chance to swipe bases and can hit to all fields. He's much more of a prototypical #2 guy than a cleanup hitter. On the RH side, depending on who's hitting better, you could probably flip-flop Ender and Dansby, but if he hits as he's capable, I think Swanson has more pop and needs to be at 7. On the LH side, if Duvall hits with the power he's capable of, I'd probably switch him and Ozzie. I actually agree with Nick hitting 2nd. I don't understand the seemingly immovable proposition that Donaldson bat 2nd. I realize that everything that was relied on statistically for the first 145 or so years of baseball has been thrown out the window with the arrival of advanced metrics, but Donaldson hardly seems like a #2 hole guy to me. Neck is gonna make contact........isn't that still what you want from a #2 (although I realize the potential for double plays)?? I actually agree with you, I don't like a power hitter hitting second either.
But I wouldn't say the old time stats have been thrown out at all. As I've stated many times, OPS is a great measure of a guy's offensive output, and there's no new magical stats being used there. On base percentage plus slugging percentage. How much does a guy get on, and how much power does he hit with? That stat includes doubles and home runs, so what's not to like about it? I like wRC+ better because it includes park adjustment and I think that does matter, but OPS is almost as good.
I also won't claim the Braves are just flat out being stupid if they bat Donaldson second, because it is a trend going around. So we wouldn't be alone. I don't agree with it, but it's pretty common. The Cardinals are talking about batting Goldschmidt second this year. Mike Trout has had 4600 PA's in his career, and over half of them have been from the second spot in the order. Also, another 700 have come form the leadoff spot. He's a dead ringer for a minimum of 30 doubles and 30 HRs per year and they have him that high in the order.
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Post by mauibravefan on Feb 18, 2019 13:28:38 GMT -5
Any pitcher batting 8th fans?
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Feb 18, 2019 13:43:25 GMT -5
Acuna JD Albies Freeman Flowers Neck Inciarte Swanson
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Feb 18, 2019 13:44:32 GMT -5
Any pitcher batting 8th fans? Not really.
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