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Post by turnerfield on Apr 14, 2018 14:50:31 GMT -5
Will other teams fans chant “James” like they did “Larry?” I wonder if he was named after Chuck James. A two syllable chant would have to sound something like Jah-hames, Jah-hames, Jah-hames. Otherwise a rapid single clap pace of James-James-James-James-James. I don't know how that wouldn't distract you as a hitter. I hope one of our hitters becomes notorious at every ballpark he goes to like Harper. Freddie is too nice to be that.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 14, 2018 17:42:54 GMT -5
Will other teams fans chant “James” like they did “Larry?” I wonder if he was named after Chuck James. A two syllable chant would have to sound something like Jah-hames, Jah-hames, Jah-hames. Otherwise a rapid single clap pace of James-James-James-James-James. I don't know how that wouldn't distract you as a hitter. I hope one of our hitters becomes notorious at every ballpark he goes to like Harper. Freddie is too nice to be that. “Jim-my! Jim-my! Jim-my!”
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Post by peteorr on Apr 27, 2018 20:02:31 GMT -5
I'd like to reiterate what I said on the old message board. Ender is redundant once Acuna becomes established. Acuna is already well on his way to establishing himself. Ender has a career 95 wRC+. Why should we willingly keep that around if we don't have to? Ender's speed will slowly decline as he ages or perhaps suddenly if he becomes injured. The key is to trade Ender before his downturn begins. The Braves will need two corner outfielders in the offseason. Perhaps Ender could be traded for one. The bullpen is terrible. Ender could perhaps be traded for a combination of bullpen arm(s) and prospect(s) who will be needed since the Braves can only sign foreign players in limited quantities. Albies and Acuna should now be the top two hitters in the order. Surprisingly enough, Swanson is currently a better option at the top of the order than Ender is. I do not want this to blow up in our faces. Ender should be traded at the deadline if the Braves are out of it and can get equal value in return and if not, in the offseason.
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Post by jryanw on Apr 28, 2018 7:42:15 GMT -5
I'd like to reiterate what I said on the old message bored. Ender is redundant once Acuna becomes established. Acuna is already well on his way to establishing himself. Ender has a career 95 wRC+. Why should we willingly keep that around if we don't have to? Ender's speed will slowly decline as he ages or perhaps suddenly if he becomes injured. The key is to trade Ender before his downturn begins. The Braves will need two corner outfielders in the offseason. Perhaps Ender could be traded for one. The bullpen is terrible. Ender could perhaps be traded for a combination of bullpen arm(s) and prospect(s) who will be needed since the Braves can only sign foreign players in limited quantities. Albies and Acuna should now be the top two hitters in the order. Surprisingly enough, Swanson is currently a better option at the top of the order than Ender is. I do not want this to blow up in our faces. Ender should be traded at the deadline if the Braves are out of it and can get equal value in return and if not, in the offseason. Thank God(I believe that's Pete Orr in your mind) we didn't listen to you. You wanted us to trade him for Ian Happ. That dude sucks.
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Post by peteorr on Apr 28, 2018 10:46:38 GMT -5
I wasn't going to compare Inciarte and Happ because the season is so young. If you want to go that route, neither has played particularly well this season. However, based on FWar, Happ has been better than Inciarte. They are equal using ESPN war. This isn't even about Happ, although I would have welcomed that trade. Inciarte has a career 95 wRC+ and is at 65 for the season. This is about getting Inciarte out of the lineup because he is not a good hitter. Notice I didn't even mention Happ in my original post. As I believe you said before, a trade for Happ was theoretical and perhaps not available. But for the record Happ has been better both on offense and defense than Inciarte so far according to Fangraphs. So really you aren't picking and choosing your battles wisely here.
Now let me reiterate for you jryan (since you are kind of a dunce). This discussion has always revolved around Inciarte and getting rid of his lackluster hitting than it ever has been about Happ. Happ was merely ever one proposed solution. I'm not the only, nor was I ever the first to say that Inciarte is surplus. People such as Keith Law have said it as well. So how about you take it with him? Note that he's paid to discuss baseball and you are not.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 28, 2018 14:31:19 GMT -5
Not a good hitter? Seems to me a guy who got 200 hits last season is a pretty decent hitter. He's a leadoff man. His job is to get on base. He does that quite well. A little more patience at the plate would be good, though, that's for sure.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Apr 28, 2018 15:13:42 GMT -5
Ender's career OPS is .726. He gets hurt there by not hitting for power, but I think that can't be totally ignored--power and extra base hits are really important when judging how good of a hitter a guy is. His one "strength" would be getting on base it appears--but if you look at his career, since he has come into the big leagues, he is tied for 91st overall in OBP during that period, and I don't think that's all that impressive. MLB OBP rankings from 2014 through 2018 Look at some of the names of guys ahead of him in OBP on that list. As much as I like his defense, I'd have no problem with moving him as long as we have someone we can play some decent CF. His offensive abilities just aren't that impressive. And I don't feel I'm bias because the numbers support that belief, but beyond all of that, I just don't enjoy watching Punch and Judy hitters and he's pretty much the very definition of that.
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Post by jryanw on Apr 28, 2018 15:16:18 GMT -5
Not a good hitter? Seems to me a guy who got 200 hits last season is a pretty decent hitter. He's a leadoff man. His job is to get on base. He does that quite well. A little more patience at the plate would be good, though, that's for sure. Pete hates inciarte for some reason. He can't see the woods for the trees with him for some reason. Don't forget at one point on the old forum it seemed that Pete outed himself as the biggest troll over there. I still believe that to be true. Btw I have no issue with us trading Inciarte. It just needs to be for someone got power hitting corner outfield potential. Remember Pete youre big offseason trade target was Happ mine was Joey Gallo who you scoffed and he's playing well.
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Post by bravepap on Apr 28, 2018 15:31:10 GMT -5
Meh...we can get a Gold Glove centerfielder with 17 hits in his last 10 games anywhere....
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 28, 2018 16:24:26 GMT -5
Good baseball player, average hitter.
He'd be an asset hitting at the bottom half of the order.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 28, 2018 17:12:55 GMT -5
Good baseball player, average hitter. He'd be an asset hitting at the bottom half of the order. That's a valid argument. If he were an 8 hole hitter, it could teach him to be more patient, too. His lack of patience holds his OBP down. I don't really have a problem trading him, either, but a gold glove center fielder is good to have, especially with young pitching. Cyber stats aren't kind to guys like Inciarte, but he's a pretty damn good player.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 28, 2018 17:39:19 GMT -5
Good baseball player, average hitter. He'd be an asset hitting at the bottom half of the order. That's a valid argument. If he were an 8 hole hitter, it could teach him to be more patient, too. His lack of patience holds his OBP down. I don't really have a problem trading him, either, but a gold glove center fielder is good to have, especially with young pitching. Cyber stats aren't kind to guys like Inciarte, but he's a pretty damn good player. It really only works as long as there are better hitters on the team than Inciarte. Say, for instance, the Braves sign Harper. The best lineup, IMO, would be... Albies Acuna Freeman Harper Flowers/Suzuki Inciarte Riley Swanson Get that R/L split at the bottom of the lineup. That being said, I have no issue with Inciarte hitting 8th.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Apr 28, 2018 20:37:16 GMT -5
Ender is a base stealing machine right now and when his OBP. gets to his normal point he is going to be a very valuable leadoff guy
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 28, 2018 22:21:03 GMT -5
Ender is a base stealing machine right now and when his OBP. gets to his normal point he is going to be a very valuable leadoff guy Meh. You're just going by the eye test. Don't you know you have to run this stuff through the computer these days? 😂
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Post by Drkirby on Apr 29, 2018 4:55:20 GMT -5
That's a valid argument. If he were an 8 hole hitter, it could teach him to be more patient, too. His lack of patience holds his OBP down. I don't really have a problem trading him, either, but a gold glove center fielder is good to have, especially with young pitching. Cyber stats aren't kind to guys like Inciarte, but he's a pretty damn good player. It really only works as long as there are better hitters on the team than Inciarte. Say, for instance, the Braves sign Harper. The best lineup, IMO, would be... Albies Acuna Freeman Harper Flowers/Suzuki Inciarte Riley Swanson Get that R/L split at the bottom of the lineup. That being said, I have no issue with Inciarte hitting 8th. You mean you wouldn’t hit th pitcher 8th!?!? Lol
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