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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 12, 2018 17:16:05 GMT -5
www.talkingchop.com/2018/4/12/17223914/ender-inciarte-atlanta-braves-center-field-batting-order-lineup-reality-checkSo we had this discussion back on the old site and it got a wee bit heated at times, but again it is time for a reality check. I will start by saying what the article states and what Nightman pointed out before... This does not mean that Ender is not a valuable player. He has many skills. This is only regarding the hit tool where overall, and all things considered... he’s not much more than league average. Again though... being on base for others to drive in and being able to get in with speed is important. If however, you look at purely what happens at the plate accounting for all things....
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 12, 2018 17:50:56 GMT -5
Inciarte is a 6-hole hitter, pure and simple, but that's only if he's the .300 hitter he was last year. The Inciarte of right now is an 8-hole hitter, pure and simple.
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Post by turnerfield on Apr 12, 2018 17:55:37 GMT -5
I would say Ender had a slow start in 2016 and 2017, but he was getting on base at a .400 clip in April to start the 2016 season.
Looking at the article and more of his numbers, it does appear questionable if he's really the right leadoff hitter for us when we really start competing.
It would be nice to see James try out the 1 or 2 spot if he keeps up what he's been doing.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 12, 2018 18:22:00 GMT -5
I’m okay with him at leadoff when he’s performing the way he was 2nd part of last year.
I mean he may not be ideal even then, but he’s servicable with Freeman lurking at 3..
but right now he’s giving us nothing... and when going good he’s still only average at hitting.
Has other tools though that make him valuable.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Apr 12, 2018 19:40:45 GMT -5
Who is hitting where doesn't really matter its how they are hitting at a given time. guys are streaking and slumping or hitting singles or showing Power it changes week to week month to month. I have often wondered why a manager has a set lineup instead of riding what is happening at the time.
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Post by jahgentle on Apr 12, 2018 19:49:49 GMT -5
Who is hitting where doesn't really matter its how they are hitting at a given time. guys are streaking and slumping or hitting singles or showing Power it changes week to week month to month. I have often wondered why a manager has a set lineup instead of riding what is happening at the time. That's always bugged me and so has not using your closer and/or best relief pitchers when the situation calls for it.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 12, 2018 19:51:14 GMT -5
probably because moving people around and having to adjust to what’s expected at the different spots in the batting order will cause a lot more issues.
I think you absolutely have a fairly set lineup with minor changes based on lefty/righty pitchers, and you only move people around after extended trends.
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Post by keystone61 on Apr 12, 2018 20:04:09 GMT -5
First of all. Who is James? Second, Ender is our best leadoff man unless you move The Mighty Oz, and with the pop he's showing, he's probably best left alone. My biggest issue with Ender is that he isn't patient enough. He's not hitting right now, but he will.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Apr 12, 2018 20:38:36 GMT -5
He started terribly slow last year as well.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Apr 12, 2018 21:26:13 GMT -5
Who is hitting where doesn't really matter its how they are hitting at a given time. guys are streaking and slumping or hitting singles or showing Power it changes week to week month to month. I have often wondered why a manager has a set lineup instead of riding what is happening at the time. Well, I would say that who is hitting where does matter because if you're smart you'll have your best hitters (the guys who basically streak more than average and slump less than average) hitting at the top of the order, so they'll get more at-bats in the game and throughout the season.
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Post by akod on Apr 13, 2018 8:58:40 GMT -5
I would personally like to see Swanson live up to his 2 hole potential and move Albies to leadoff. Yes he is showing power but that can be a plus as a leadoff hitter- just ask the Astros last year (of course they have a DH which is a factor).
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Post by Drkirby on Apr 13, 2018 10:16:49 GMT -5
I would personally like to see Swanson live up to his 2 hole potential and move Albies to leadoff. Yes he is showing power but that can be a plus as a leadoff hitter- just ask the Astros last year (of course they have a DH which is a factor). Albies,Swanson,Freeman, Acuna ?
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Post by Drkirby on Apr 13, 2018 10:18:09 GMT -5
I would personally like to see Swanson live up to his 2 hole potential and move Albies to leadoff. Yes he is showing power but that can be a plus as a leadoff hitter- just ask the Astros last year (of course they have a DH which is a factor). Pache is the leadoff of the future
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Post by camarFANgo on Apr 13, 2018 10:44:58 GMT -5
www.talkingchop.com/2018/4/12/17223914/ender-inciarte-atlanta-braves-center-field-batting-order-lineup-reality-checkSo we had this discussion back on the old site and it got a wee bit heated at times, but again it is time for a reality check. I will start by saying what the article states and what Nightman pointed out before... This does not mean that Ender is not a valuable player. He has many skills. This is only regarding the hit tool where overall, and all things considered... he’s not much more than league average. Again though... being on base for others to drive in and being able to get in with speed is important. If however, you look at purely what happens at the plate accounting for all things.... Since Ender started wearing a Braves uniform, historically he has been a slow starter. He'll be fine. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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Post by akod on Apr 13, 2018 12:00:19 GMT -5
You guys know I’m high on Pache but that’s not likely a 2019 timeline.
I think your best hitter should bat third so I’m pretty hell bent on Albies, Swanson, Freeman, Acuna, Riley, Inciarte next year barring a LF signing and the 2017 Swanson resurfacing. I’d love Acuna second but his K’s really are a concern.
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