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Post by keystone61 on May 18, 2021 22:02:34 GMT -5
....and what if you can't sign him? Knowing the Braves, do you believe you are going to outbid the Dodgers? I mean it's easy to just say "we will go get this guy", but in reality that's a bit hard to do sometimes. That's fair enough. I'm sure he'd cost more, too. Like I said, I'm not advocating trading Freddie or letting him walk, just throwing it out as something to think about.
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Post by bravter on May 23, 2021 3:46:42 GMT -5
Trade Freeman? Let him walk? 2 words.......... Albert. Pujols. Two more words. Miguel. Cabrera. Who would have thought those guys would have gone downhill so fast? I don't want to hang onto a guy because of his name and/or what he did in the past. I want players who can produce on the field now and in the future. Is Freeman such a player? I don't know. It certainly is looking a lot more doubtful today than it did a year ago though, isn't it? Sentimentality is fine, but it's no way to run a baseball team. Look at the Angels and the Tigers, Pujols and Cabrera's teams. They have done nothing for years, and those 2 contracts are a pretty big reason why, IMO. I don't want to be the Angels or the Tigers, and I don't really want to be doling out a $150 million contract to a 32-year-old player (I really think Freeman will be able to support his family if we decide to let him go). I have thought about this a LOT, and it might be a mistake (one that could very well get me fired), but if I'm the GM and I had to make this decision, I'd let him go. That's right, I said it. I'd let him go, and I'd do my dam/ndest to sign Corey Seager (who is from NC and 5 years younger), make him my 3rd baseman and move Riley to 1st base. Two heavy set not especially athletic guys versus a very fit Freddie. To me Chipper would be a better comparison at that age. Chipper did have some injuries but he still produced.
I think Freddie will produce for another 5 years, that's all he'll be looking to sign for, and he'll do it more reasonably than people are expecting.
He's in a slump now and eventually he's going to hit .578 for three weeks with 12 home runs and we'll all be praying AA signs him.
You never know how Freeman's weight can change with his frame. I mean he was a bit hefty coming into the league and ultimately he had the will power to get lean while in his 20's. He'll have to have the will power and good metabolism as he ages in his 30's. It does kinda worry me when this is how he looked in high school.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 23, 2021 7:27:08 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 23, 2021 9:31:50 GMT -5
Two heavy set not especially athletic guys versus a very fit Freddie. To me Chipper would be a better comparison at that age. Chipper did have some injuries but he still produced.
I think Freddie will produce for another 5 years, that's all he'll be looking to sign for, and he'll do it more reasonably than people are expecting.
He's in a slump now and eventually he's going to hit .578 for three weeks with 12 home runs and we'll all be praying AA signs him.
You never know how Freeman's weight can change with his frame. I mean he was a bit hefty coming into the league and ultimately he had the will power to get lean while in his 20's. He'll have to have the will power and good metabolism as he ages in his 30's. It does kinda worry me when this is how he looked in high school. He was pretty chubby as a kid too. But he’s about to turn 32 and he is lean and mean right now. Every move is a gamble and this is one I’d be willing to take. That he’ll stay in shape and be productive another 5 years. The last 2-3 years maybe not at the level he is now, but that’s why we’ll front load the deal!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 12:37:40 GMT -5
If he gets to FA, my hunch is that there is some team that will offer a 7 or 8 yr deal
I would love to have him for 5 - 6 max. But the longer this goes on just be prepared.
Sure would suck to see Freddie and Julio Jones leave ATL in the same yr - two ATL legends gone cause of the business of sports.
Some team is going to do the dum dum and not use business smarts
If there were not the pandemic with the business losses I would believe a deal would already be done. Not an excuse but a reasonable reality.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2021 12:41:05 GMT -5
Imagine losing Freddie in the off season and replacing him with a one yr journey man type like say, Mitch Moreland
None of us would like it but suckage happens
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 4, 2021 13:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 4, 2021 15:15:06 GMT -5
The bat speed thing scares me. If he can't get that back, he will never be the same hitter again. It's just not possible. I'm betting he figures it out......soon.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 4, 2021 15:49:23 GMT -5
I'm a little confused. He seems to to be implying through indirect means that Freddie's bat speed might be down, but he never cites actual bat speed numbers even though he says he has access to them. So why wouldn't he just look at the bat speed numbers instead of speculating via other means?
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 4, 2021 16:50:15 GMT -5
I'm a little confused. He seems to to be implying through indirect means that Freddie's bat speed might be down, but he never cites actual bat speed numbers even though he says he has access to them. So why wouldn't he just look at the bat speed numbers instead of speculating via other means? I don't think he had access to the bat speed data, he just worded that poorly.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 4, 2021 19:42:29 GMT -5
I'm a little confused. He seems to to be implying through indirect means that Freddie's bat speed might be down, but he never cites actual bat speed numbers even though he says he has access to them. So why wouldn't he just look at the bat speed numbers instead of speculating via other means? I don't think he had access to the bat speed data, he just worded that poorly. Ah yeah when I read the earlier I was just browsing through it really quickly and I did misread that sentence where he said "yes I don't have access to the bat speed."
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Post by bravter on Jun 14, 2021 1:54:34 GMT -5
First off I'm going to say my post was all in fun to make a joke. I don't really question anything about Freeman's weight.
I think perhaps if baseball is finally addressing the use of illegal substances on the balls and we start seeing rpms go down throughout the league. Maybe from here on out we can get better judgement on the players. Not only are the hitters dealing with a less juiced baseball, but also a lot of rpms and a lot of movement. MLB is a mess.
I haven't watched one Braves game all year because of Manfred. He's ruined MLB for me, but I still gather up what's going up from the league from time to time. Looking at Freeman's stats at this point his K% is around the same for his career. His LD% is 25%, down 5% from his career (15% from 2020 mvp season). His balls hit to center are an astronomical 63% are up 12% from his career average, pulled balls down about 7%, oppo balls down about 5%. His BABIP is .237 a whopping 100 pts lower than his career average. His hard hit ball%(ev 95+) is 51.9%, still very high just down 2.6% from last year and is his 2nd highest in his career.
Since baseball is finally addressing the pitchers cheating in Freeman's last 6 games his BABIP is at .316. Maybe a sign of what's to come. Since hitting is down across the league it could be easy to conclude Freeman has suffered from the movement on pitches which has resulted in where he hits where fielders can cover a lot of territory and the result is an unlucky BABIP.
I don't think bat speed is an issue.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 14, 2021 6:07:13 GMT -5
I wasn't worried about bat speed myself.
LD%, Ridiculously low BABIP, and just regression to the norm in a season where in addition batting was down a bit explained it enough for me not to be overly concerned.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 14, 2021 6:22:21 GMT -5
Wife beaters‘ poor season compared to last year as protectshunz Probably matters too, Freddie seems to be getting fed a lot more bad pitches and chasing them way more than before.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 14, 2021 9:46:02 GMT -5
Bat speed may not be the be-all-end-all of hitting, but it's pretty important, and when everybody's fastball is 95+, it's even more important. How are you supposed to hit that heat without superior bat speed? As long as the drop is either negligible or due to some mechanical issue, I don't think it's a concern either. That said, if a guy's bat speed drops significantly, I think it's a big ol' red flag. I seriously doubt that Freeman has lost bat speed due to a natural decline, though. I'd have to think it's mechanical. I also tend to think that he'll be fine for at least another 5 years.
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