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Post by keystone61 on May 2, 2021 20:53:43 GMT -5
First of all, I am not knee jerking here, but the Braves' poor play to this point has made me wonder if they might actually consider this, and what it might look like. Are the Braves considering letting him walk anyway? If they are, it might make sense. He's obviously a great player, and a great representative of the organization, but he'll be 32 this year and will eat a ton of salary. Just curious if anyone else has given this any thought. This is not the Braves of the 90's that had the luxury of always having the 3 Aces. This team has big holes that need to be filled. This is one way to do it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 2, 2021 23:52:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't, I don't think we'd get much for him with him being a FA after this season.
I think he'll age well and has at least 4-5 more good years in him, I'd like for us to extend him for that period.
Trading him now is something a bad team does. We have holes but we could still be a competitive team this year.
And the same for at least another 4-5 years.
I think we'll sign Freddie and then also extend Dansby 5 years at about $50M and take our shot with our core for the next 5 years.
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Post by keystone61 on May 3, 2021 7:20:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't, I don't think we'd get much for him with him being a FA after this season.
I think he'll age well and has at least 4-5 more good years in him, I'd like for us to extend him for that period.
Trading him now is something a bad team does. We have holes but we could still be a competitive team this year.
And the same for at least another 4-5 years.
I think we'll sign Freddie and then also extend Dansby 5 years at about $50M and take our shot with our core for the next 5 years.
I don't know that extending Dansby is something a winning team does. Dansby is about as average as it gets. Do you really think we should extend him? I mean, how long do you give a guy to turn the proverbial corner? It's been fits and starts with him ever since he's been a Brave. His career OPS+ is about 85. I'm not a big fan of Dansby Swanson. He has moments, but hell, every player has moments.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 3, 2021 9:38:06 GMT -5
I would not extend Dansby, no. Without question I would not. I’ve seen enough. He’s as average as average gets at his very best, overall. But our organization loves him and sees him as one of the core pieces we can win with for the next five years. I have no doubt we will extend him. He won some points by performing well in the playoffs the last two years. That matters to me and I’m sure it’s a big deciding factor for the organization. His hot streaks are enticing, but to me they don’t make up for his prolonged slumps where he’s totally lost. I’ve accepted the fact he is what he is and is always going to be this kind of player. The Braves have too, and they’re very content with that. I get that we don’t need eight superstars out there, and it helps when the guys like playing together. He seems to fit well with the core players on a personal level. I’ve already accepted the fact we’ll get him for at least five more years. If he had a good season this year I’ll bet they would have gone seven more years on him. He’s the golden boy, they just love him. He can do no wrong. He was always given a way longer leash than everyone else and still is, hitting 5th and 6th now when he has no business there. Right now Riley has a 144 wRC+ and Dansby’s is 64, and he’s still hitting ahead of Riley in the lineup. Go figure.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 3, 2021 9:53:08 GMT -5
One thing I’ll add about Dansby—I dont like extremely streaky players and he’s one of those guys. All players are streaky to some extent, some way more than others. What good is to have a guy who is completely useless with the bat for 100 games and then bunches hits and doubles and home runs together in huge piles during the other games? I’ll always prefer a guy who chips in almost every day. And let’s be honest, most of the time Dansby is completely useless at the plate. He doesn’t move guys over and he strikes out way too much for a guy with such low wRC numbers.
He does help himself with the glove and I get that. He’s better than average defensively and that reliability at that position is important. He had one beast season with the glove, I don’t think he’s been as great as that one year, but still better than average overall.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 3, 2021 10:26:28 GMT -5
First of all, I am not knee jerking here, but the Braves' poor play to this point has made me wonder if they might actually consider this, and what it might look like. Are the Braves considering letting him walk anyway? If they are, it might make sense. He's obviously a great player, and a great representative of the organization, but he'll be 32 this year and will eat a ton of salary. Just curious if anyone else has given this any thought. This is not the Braves of the 90's that had the luxury of always having the 3 Aces. This team has big holes that need to be filled. This is one way to do it. No on Freeman. Actually this does sound like knee jerking. We should not be a "selling" team and I firmly believe it is our intent to re-sign him.
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Post by keystone61 on May 3, 2021 11:46:16 GMT -5
First of all, I am not knee jerking here, but the Braves' poor play to this point has made me wonder if they might actually consider this, and what it might look like. Are the Braves considering letting him walk anyway? If they are, it might make sense. He's obviously a great player, and a great representative of the organization, but he'll be 32 this year and will eat a ton of salary. Just curious if anyone else has given this any thought. This is not the Braves of the 90's that had the luxury of always having the 3 Aces. This team has big holes that need to be filled. This is one way to do it. No on Freeman. Actually this does sound like knee jerking. We should not be a "selling" team and I firmly believe it is our intent to re-sign him. Not knee jerkin', just spitballin'. I tend to lean toward no as well, but I have wondered if, like Snit, he is 'too nice' of a guy to lead. I guess it will boil down to what it's gonna take to keep him. Will 5/$120 do it or will it take 7/$200? In one sense, it's not as easy of a decision as it seems to be. First base is not a premium defensive spot, and even though Freeman handles the glove well and runs pretty well for now, what is the value of a 1st baseman? Pujols, Cabrera, and Votto are 3 of the worst contracts in the game EVER, and those guys are all 1st basemen (Goldschmidt is off to a slow start, but I'm not gonna say he's in decline yet). Were I AA, I'd make every effort to sign him before the deadline............just in case.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 3, 2021 13:35:26 GMT -5
Who is going to replace him and what does his loss do to this team for the next 3 years of Albies, Acuña, etc?
Freddie is the foundation of the core this team was built around, and they are right in the early-middle of the run they are supposed to be making.
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Post by maverick86 on May 3, 2021 13:40:07 GMT -5
Freeman to the Angels. Make it happen. Send Freeman home..
Jk Of course we don’t trade our franchise player.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 3, 2021 14:04:56 GMT -5
Trade Freeman for bullpen arms.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on May 3, 2021 16:53:58 GMT -5
It may take them until after the off-season begins, but they'll resign Freeman.
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Post by keystone61 on May 4, 2021 7:43:01 GMT -5
Trade Freeman for bullpen arms. After this weekend? Don't tempt me..........LMAO. No, I am by no means advocating trading Freddie Freeman. I want him to spend his entire career here, and hope he wants the same. I don't THINK he wants to break the bank for $40 million per year or something crazy. In that case, the Braves might be forced to do something, but I seriously doubt that's the case.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 4, 2021 11:39:41 GMT -5
I think Freddie would do $20M per year for us to stay in the organization. Possibly a front loaded deal like Arenado has.
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Post by keystone61 on May 4, 2021 12:39:06 GMT -5
I think Freddie would do $20M per year for us to stay in the organization. Possibly a front loaded deal like Arenado has. I hope you're right.........and I think you probably are.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 4, 2021 14:32:02 GMT -5
I think Freddie would do $20M per year for us to stay in the organization. Possibly a front loaded deal like Arenado has. I hope you're right.........and I think you probably are. Either 4 or 5 years with a club option after that.
That's why I think they'll sign Dansby for 5 years too, they'll see that as their window with this group and plan to hope to build through the draft and some wise moves here and there for the next wave after that.
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