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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 14, 2021 10:02:32 GMT -5
No doubt it is important and when and if I see proof that Freeman's is down then I would begin thinking about it.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 14, 2021 12:14:29 GMT -5
I'd love to see Freeman agree to something like 4/$100. That takes him to age 36, which is when the real danger zone normally comes up. I'm personally not comfortable going past that age, but I don't expect my comfort to be much of a factor in the negotiations Chipper dropped off considerably after age 36, but he still managed an average OPS+ of around 120. He actually had his highest OPS+ of 176 at age 36, although he played only 128 games that year. I do believe that Chipper was a better hitter than Freddie, though. Also, Freddie has to know that if he continues to play at or near his normal level through the end of a 4-year deal, that the Braves will take care of him.......if not, somebody else will.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 14, 2021 14:39:07 GMT -5
Freddie is going to give us a nice team friendly 4-5 year hometown discount that will work nicely for him and us. Averaging somewhere between $20-25M per year. It won’t cost us more than &100M
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 14, 2021 14:58:05 GMT -5
Freddie is going to give us a nice team friendly 4-5 year hometown discount that will work nicely for him and us. Averaging somewhere between $20-25M per year. It won’t cost us more than &100M I'm trying to think of a way that getting paid $20-$25 million per year wouldn't "work nicely" for me, but I got nuttin'. LMAO
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 14, 2021 18:17:37 GMT -5
Freddie is going to give us a nice team friendly 4-5 year hometown discount that will work nicely for him and us. Averaging somewhere between $20-25M per year. It won’t cost us more than &100M I'm trying to think of a way that getting paid $20-$25 million per year wouldn't "work nicely" for me, but I got nuttin'. LMAO Especially if you've already banked $122M during your career!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 18:49:41 GMT -5
If Freddie gets back to normal in the second half I could see him getting more than $100 mil from another team.
He would be crazy to turn down say, 5 yrs at 30 mil per. I do not know if the Braves would do that - at time time its all in limbo.
I still do not want to trade him for peanuts at the deadline contract extension or not or regardless where we are in the standings.
The return for Texiera at the 2008 deadline was a joke. If that is all we can get might as well get the compensatory draft selection.
To this day I still despise that trade - never liked Casey Kotchman from day one. Was glad when he was flipped for Adam Laroche the next yr. Kotchman, one of my least favorite Braves.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 14, 2021 19:26:21 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is offering Freddie more than $25M per year at his age. I think teams are wising up to that.
I hated Kotchman too. The guy I hated even more than him was Robert Fick.
I was not a LaRoche fan, I called him "LaDouche."
I was spoiled by McGriff, he was my guy at first base.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 0:51:53 GMT -5
I don't think anybody is offering Freddie more than $25M per year at his age. I think teams are wising up to that.
I hated Kotchman too. The guy I hated even more than him was Robert Fick.
I was not a LaRoche fan, I called him "LaDouche."
I was spoiled by McGriff, he was my guy at first base.
I hope teams are wising up to those 8 yr 250 ish contracts for 30ish players but it takes only one dumb team. I will believe it when I see it on dumb teams. I have no problem giving Freeman 5 yrs, 5 @ 125, that takes it to age 36 and he should be effective to that age. Would be good to get Sterling Marte or Haniger this off season to replace that Unmentionable player which is what I refer to you know who. As for Mc Griff, he was under appreciated. I do not think he was underrated by his peers but just not as big a household name he should have been. Maybe cause he was a steady do your job kind of guy without the self promotion I do think he should be in Cooperstown. The slugging pct, OPS, 493 HRS and he played in clean in what was a very dirty era when he played. 493 HRS, over 1500 RBI those are HOF numbers in their own right. He was more dominant than given credit for. That is one to the things I agreed with a Brian Kenny analysis. Robert Fick - never expected much from him, I was up and down with LaRoche he did have some good and bad took a while to get it. Kotchman and Brandon Wood, they were top 5 overall prospects around 2005. BBA gets it wrong its fair share of the time.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 15, 2021 10:19:11 GMT -5
I think it's important to remember that one player, no matter how good, cannot transform a baseball team from a loser into a winner. Players like Freeman are generally only purusued by teams that are very close to having enough to win it all. I don't know the monetary value assigned to a championship, but it's pretty substantial, I'm sure.
This is a big peeve of mine about the Braves. We were so close last year, and yet we not only didn't do anything to improve this season, we actually regressed. Maybe it was just the impact of COVID, and even if it wasn't, COVID sure was a convenient excuse.
Anyway, my point is, there are not many teams that will be lining up to give Freddie a long-term deal. As good as he is, he's still a first baseman, so his value is pretty much strictly in his offense. Whether it's fair or not, if he continues putting up the numbers he's currently putting up for the rest of this season, it's gonna cost him a lot of money. Is that good news for the Braves? Maybe, maybe not........
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 15, 2021 13:00:10 GMT -5
Plus there are a ton of good first basemen all around MLB.
Member when Freddie offered to play third base?
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jun 15, 2021 13:48:16 GMT -5
I don't think this sub-par season will cost Freddie all that much as long as the peripheral data still looks good. I'm sure it will not help and probably hurt a little, but barring total collapse this season will be seen as an outlier.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 15, 2021 13:51:12 GMT -5
It’s still quite possible that Freddie will end up with an .850 to .900 OPS by the end of the season.
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Post by keystone61 on Jun 15, 2021 14:15:40 GMT -5
It’s still quite possible that Freddie will end up with an .850 to .900 OPS by the end of the season. I'd even say that it's likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 14:56:52 GMT -5
It’s still quite possible that Freddie will end up with an .850 to .900 OPS by the end of the season. I'd even say that it's likely. I still think he can get the average up to .270 - the OBP is good. .850 is well within range. Easy within range, FF is no .237 hitter And some of the luck has to go his way Would help if we could get a legit replacement for the unmentionable player in LF and a better Pache in CF. Don't count him totally out I do not know what the powers that be are thinking and remember who AA is working for
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jun 15, 2021 15:32:21 GMT -5
I'd even say that it's likely. I still think he can get the average up to .270 - the OBP is good. .850 is well within range. Easy within range, FF is no .237 hitter And some of the luck has to go his way Would help if we could get a legit replacement for the unmentionable player in LF and a better Pache in CF. Don't count him totally out I do not know what the powers that be are thinking and remember who AA is working for The Russians.
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