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Post by Fumbduckery on May 11, 2021 16:17:12 GMT -5
In my opinion we aren’t going to see guys 32 and older getting more than 5 years at $20-25M anymore. I don’t think one of those deals has ever ended up being a good idea, and smart people should realize the popularity of baseball is dropping already and will keep getting worse from now on. There is always that one dumb team out there. As for the case of Freeman, no one is saying anything - but word was that Freddie's camp has not been approached. Can it be they are not planning to make any kind of offer fearing the market price is too high? Hard to say, on the other hand once the season is over who is to say both sides find a way to an agreement. This is one that I would never put the rent money on I just do not want him traded for a bag of beans no matter where the Braves are in the standings. Would rather have nothing than junk like Casey Kotchman and Steve Marek AA never tips his hand or makes things public ahead of time.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 20:52:42 GMT -5
AA never tips his hand or makes things public ahead of time. That is a good thing. Hey many of us were expecting Ozuna to go elsewhere and they got a deal done there so you just never know I just do not want to trade him no matter what (of course if they get an unrealistic return) then got to keep an open mind I still cringe on that return for Texiera back in the day would have been better off with the draft pick compared to that - Casey Kotchman is one of my least favorite Braves of all time
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Post by keystone61 on May 11, 2021 21:50:45 GMT -5
In my opinion we aren’t going to see guys 32 and older getting more than 5 years at $20-25M anymore. I don’t think one of those deals has ever ended up being a good idea, and smart people should realize the popularity of baseball is dropping already and will keep getting worse from now on. Baseball doesn't have to get worse. Some things need to be done, because strikeouts aren't a lot of fun to watch 25 times per game. The first thing that needs to happen is the shift has to be banned.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 22:14:33 GMT -5
At least modify the shift and how its used
Its always been used but that was for certain dangerous hitters
Would not bother me if analyitics were limited - its bastardized the game
And a strikeout is not just another out too many strikeouts this day in time
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 11, 2021 22:22:16 GMT -5
In my opinion we aren’t going to see guys 32 and older getting more than 5 years at $20-25M anymore. I don’t think one of those deals has ever ended up being a good idea, and smart people should realize the popularity of baseball is dropping already and will keep getting worse from now on. Baseball doesn't have to get worse. Some things need to be done, because strikeouts aren't a lot of fun to watch 25 times per game. The first thing that needs to happen is the shift has to be banned. I think the biggest problem is that people who are like 30ish and younger have no interest in the game at all. Their attention span is about a half a second. So when all of us die hards die off, and the 30ish's grow older and raise kids, nobody will care about the game. That's the whole reason byehind changes they're starting to make. I don't think they can ever get their attention, but if they do, it will be with a game that resembles nothing at all the game we grew up with. Scores will be like 70-65. They need something "exciting" happening every five seconds to hold their attention.
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Post by keystone61 on May 12, 2021 7:25:43 GMT -5
Baseball doesn't have to get worse. Some things need to be done, because strikeouts aren't a lot of fun to watch 25 times per game. The first thing that needs to happen is the shift has to be banned. I think the biggest problem is that people who are like 30ish and younger have no interest in the game at all. Their attention span is about a half a second. So when all of us die hards die off, and the 30ish's grow older and raise kids, nobody will care about the game. That's the whole reason byehind changes they're starting to make. I don't think they can ever get their attention, but if they do, it will be with a game that resembles nothing at all the game we grew up with. Scores will be like 70-65. They need something "exciting" happening every five seconds to hold their attention. I don't know about all that. Things tend to run in cycles. The game needs more action, though. I think shrinking the strike zone would help. If you do that, I think you'll see strikeouts plummet considerably because pitchers would have to adjust and that would likely mean a dip in velocity (sacrifice velo for command). I think this would lead to more contact hitting, more base stealing, more hit-and-run, etc.........action.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 12, 2021 7:55:14 GMT -5
We’ll see.....it’s why baseball turned to so many gimmicks and so many more will come, to keep trying to get younger people interested. When I was a kid and we went to games I got a scorecard and watched every pitch and kept the score. Nowadays you can be inside a baseball COMPLEX during a game and not even be able to tell there’s a game going on, there’s so many side attractions for kids to do instead of actually watching the damn game. They just can’t sit still and watch baseball, too slow and not exciting enough. It’s an attention span issue.
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Post by keystone61 on May 12, 2021 9:13:17 GMT -5
You're not wrong about the attention span. I've got a 13-year-old at home who loves sports, but sitting and watching an entire game on TV is undoable for him........hell, it often is for me. That doesn't just apply to baseball, though. No sport holds his attention start to finish. Baseball has lost a lot of popularity among kids, too, because there's nowhere to play. Little League might as well not exist in small towns like mine, and besides, it's over by the time school is out for the Summer anyway. Travel ball is financially out of reach for a lot of folks, and kids who play travel ball often play with other kids they don't know, which takes away from the fun of it. Like most things, it's a lot more complex an issue than it appears to be at first.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 12, 2021 10:31:40 GMT -5
At least modify the shift and how its used Its always been used but that was for certain dangerous hitters Would not bother me if analyitics were limited - its bastardized the game And a strikeout is not just another out too many strikeouts this day in time Analytics has had unintended consequences. Analytics led to drastic field alignments like the exaggerated shifts. The exaggerated shifts and other analytics led to a concentration on launch angles to attempt to go over instead of through shifts. Launch angles led to swing plane changes. Swing plane changes along with led to an increase in strike outs after other analytics had already affected strike outs and a premium on high velocity pitchers. The affects of analytics have been profound, and go way beyond just player evaluations based on things like WAR. In fact, I would say the things mentioned above have had way more affect than the development of player specific evaluation stats which is usually what everyone wants to talk about when the word "analytics" is brought up.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 12, 2021 11:26:11 GMT -5
OBP and batting averages are way down in baseball this year. It really is an ugly trend. I’d like to see how a Whitey Herzog early 80’s team would stack up against today’s teams. I’ll bet they’d win 120 games.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 12, 2021 11:28:04 GMT -5
The parity in MLB is pretty astounding this year, I guess it’s the product of every team taking the exact same approach. Swing for the fences.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 12:30:02 GMT -5
OBP and batting averages are way down in baseball this year. It really is an ugly trend. I’d like to see how a Whitey Herzog early 80’s team would stack up against today’s teams. I’ll bet they’d win 120 games. Would guys like Willie Mc Gee and Vince Coleman in his prime even be able to play this day in time. My thoughts is they would try to launch angle them and mess them up. I wonder how a guy like Mallex Smith would have fared a generation ago. When he came up with us he seemed to have some tools and of course the speed. He did have one decent yr at the plate. Guys like Juan Pierre who had a valuable role would not even get a look this day in time. Matty Alou and Ralph Garr are other names that come to mind They all seem to want to focus on OPS (yes, a good number but it sure is more of an accurate evaluation of pure power hitters) and OPS+ cause its come to power, power power instead of regular baseball as we once knew. I never wanted to see this game get to the point where everybody from one to 8 in the lineup is supposed to hit 20 something HRS. There was a time when 200 team HRS was really something And do not even get me started on the use of pitching in the game today - no one wants to pay attention to the old school guys like Nolan Ryan and John Smoltz anymore Travel Ball - its a real curse.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2021 12:33:38 GMT -5
The parity in MLB is pretty astounding this year, I guess it’s the product of every team taking the exact same approach. Swing for the fences. How did we get to the state of the game as we know it today Who are the brain trusts behind what we have now Who actually started this launch angle junk. Who are the minds behind 21st century baseball as we know it now Brian Kenny is one guy that just irritates me, least enjoyable baseball analyst around And the opener -- now that is one thing I hope goes the way of the pet rock and mood rings
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 12, 2021 16:40:58 GMT -5
It could just be the nature of humans to screw everything up that we can. It would actually be hard to argue against that.
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Post by keystone61 on May 12, 2021 20:41:18 GMT -5
The parity in MLB is pretty astounding this year, I guess it’s the product of every team taking the exact same approach. Swing for the fences. I don't consider it parity. I consider it all-around suckitude.
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