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Post by littlebeast1 on Dec 5, 2018 10:17:43 GMT -5
While we don't need to knee-jerk react to the moves the other East teams have made, there are still definite needs we need to fill this winter. Particularly a starting corner OF, a TOR starter and a good reliever. Just wanted to start a tread to see what everyone thought would be the best way to fill those needs. Here are mine:
OF: Sign McCutchen SP: trade for Kluber RP: Sign Familia
Saw a recent article that suggested an Ender, Wright, Wilson and Burrows package for Kluber. For argument's sake, let's just say that we do that. Here's what the 2019 team could look like:
Lineup CF Acuna 2B Albies 1B Freeman 3B Donaldson RF McCutchen C McCann / Flowers LF Duvall SS Swanson
Bench C Flowers / McCann UT Culberson UT Camargo OF L. Adams
Rotation Kluber Folty Newk Gausman Soroka/Touki/Fried
Bullpen Sobotka Biddle (LH) Venters (LH) Winkler O'Day Vizcaino Minter (LH) Familia (CL)
I debated Brantley for the OF, but Cutch would give us equal production and there's less of a chance of him getting hurt. With the uncertainties about Donaldson's health, I think we need to stay away from other guys with injury histories.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 5, 2018 11:22:23 GMT -5
If that was our personnel I’d rather hope to have either Riley or Camargo playing an OF position and Duvall on the pine.
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Post by jryanw on Dec 5, 2018 11:57:53 GMT -5
Any trade that puts Duvall in our starting lineup is a bad trade.
I love the addition though. That combination is possible and the top combo on my wish list.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Dec 5, 2018 11:58:53 GMT -5
If that was our personnel I’d rather hope to have either Riley or Camargo playing an OF position and Duvall on the pine. I debated that as well, but what we gain in offense do we give up on defense? If (and it's a big IF) Duvall regains his form by playing regularly, he would certainly be a big bat at the lower end of our lineup.
This is off the subject, but I just read that we may have interest in Salvador Perez.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 5, 2018 12:26:21 GMT -5
I don’t have any idea what kind of defensive OFer Riley mjght be, but I would expect Camargo to better defensively than Duvall.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 5, 2018 16:20:35 GMT -5
I don’t have any idea what kind of defensive OFer Riley mjght be, but I would expect Camargo to better defensively than Duvall. Not sure I agree with your detective work there, Lou... Adam Duvall does defense
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 5, 2018 16:47:18 GMT -5
The only think I know about DuvalLOL is that he did NOTHING for us.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 5, 2018 16:50:47 GMT -5
I don’t have any idea what kind of defensive OFer Riley mjght be, but I would expect Camargo to better defensively than Duvall. Not sure I agree with your detective work there, Lou... Adam Duvall does defenseThat article mentions something about him having a lot of 4 and 5 star catches.....I don't think that necessarily makes a guy a great defensive player. Those were nice plays, but a few clips of a guy making some real nice plays doesn't win me over all the way. I would have to watch him play the OF on a regular basis before I'd be willing to argue this in more detail and with more veracity. My comments now are based on Camargo being very athletic and having a cannon for an arm. He doesn't have great foot speed, but I don't think that's a requirement to be a good OFer, if you get a good read, a good jump and run good routes. He's one of those......you know......baseball player guys.
I wouldn't call this detective work, because there's absolutely zero of Camargo in the OF to study so far. So for right now I give this a total "who knows" rating on what the truth is or will be, I'm just stating my belief in advance. I could be wrong, it's happened before.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 5, 2018 16:57:52 GMT -5
Well I am not good with much on defense other than the eye ball test and I haven't seen much of him ... ya know... actually playing.
That wasn't however the first time I've read that he's actually a pretty solid defender.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 5, 2018 17:01:49 GMT -5
Well I am not good with much on defense other than the eye ball test and I haven't seen much of him ... ya know... actually playing. That wasn't however the first time I've read that he's actually a pretty solid defender. I just find it hard to really make much an argument on anything that I haven't seen for myself. I mean I read that Nick Markakis won a gold glove in 2018.
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Post by akod on Dec 5, 2018 18:24:27 GMT -5
Can we agree he’s a decent to good defender that is capable of hitting 30 bombs? That’s worth a bench spot in my eyes.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 5, 2018 18:38:00 GMT -5
Can we agree he’s a decent to good defender that is capable of hitting 30 bombs? That’s worth a bench spot in my eyes.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 5, 2018 20:24:27 GMT -5
Well I am not good with much on defense other than the eye ball test and I haven't seen much of him ... ya know... actually playing. That wasn't however the first time I've read that he's actually a pretty solid defender. I just find it hard to really make much an argument on anything that I haven't seen for myself. I mean I read that Nick Markakis won a gold glove in 2018. Well we know the flaws of the Gold Glove award, but I've read some stuff that mentioned that new fangled metrics stuff. I admit of course I don't know, but my willingness to believe he might be pretty good does at least have some other peoples reporting to back it up, and he has at least actually been a full time outfielder. Plus there has to be some reason we kept him.... outside of his non witnessed ability to hit!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 5, 2018 20:44:04 GMT -5
I just find it hard to really make much an argument on anything that I haven't seen for myself. I mean I read that Nick Markakis won a gold glove in 2018. Well we know the flaws of the Gold Glove award, but I've read some stuff that mentioned that new fangled metrics stuff. I admit of course I don't know, but my willingness to believe he might be pretty good does at least have some other peoples reporting to back it up, and he has at least actually been a full time outfielder. Plus there has to be some reason we kept him.... outside of his non witnessed ability to hit! At this point I'm at least willing to bet it's because he'll prove to be better than Lane Adams or Danny Santana. For whatever that's worth, lol......
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Post by akod on Dec 6, 2018 0:47:37 GMT -5
MLBTR chat had an interesting trade for Grienke( full contract) and Ray for either Medina or Eflin. So I ask what about Greinke at full cost and Ray (2 years) for Fried.
Greinke 31.5 mil—3 years of control Ray 6.1— 2 years of control Folty 5.5 —3 years of control Gausman 9.2 — 2 years of control Newk 500k — 5 years of control (until age 30)
Nearly 53 mil for the starting rotation with the assumption Julio gets traded. I think this gives us quite a bit of options to Folty, Gausman, or Newk for the right deal. Maybe even 2 of the 3.
Newk, Folty, and Riley for Kluber?
Kluber, Geinke, Ray, Gausman, Soroka (Touki, Wright, Wilson, etc). That’s 64 mil into our rotation alone. Yikes. However, that’s a strong looking crew with a ton of promise, depth, and financial flexibility waiting in the minors. Certainly doesn’t leave any room for more help in RF unless it were a Haniger type acquisition that would gut said depth.
Just getting lost in my own hypotheticals.
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