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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 7, 2018 0:53:52 GMT -5
I say ... 1. Sign McCutchen, something like $12-15M per 2. Bat Acuna 2nd ... Don't get this leadoff or cleanup crap. He's our Trout. He's a picture-made #2 hitter in today's game 3. Trade Teheran for whatever we can get, hope to save $5M net salary or so 4. Sign Kimbrel, $15M per, 4 years. His market is dwindling, he'll come home. 5. Go with 5 starters, but have a 6th who can come in when there's no off day that week. Limits injuries. Serves as LR otherwise. 1. CF L Inciarte (2B Albie's vs. lefties) 2. LF R Acuna 3. 1B L Freeman 4. 3B R Donaldson 5. RF R McCutchen 6. C_ S McCann/Flowers 7. 2B S Albie's (CF Inciarte vs. lefties) 8. SS R Swanson 1. C_ S Flowers/McCann 2. IF S Camargo 3. UT R Charlie Clutch 4. OF R Duvall 1. R Folty 2. L Newcomb 3. R Gausmann 4. R Soroka 5. S Fried/Toussaint 6. S Toussaint/Fried 1. R Kimbrel 2. R Vizcaino 3. L Minter 4. R O'Day 5. R Sobotka 6. L Venters 7. R Winkler I’d rather see the Braves get Herrera and Joe Kelly over paying $15 per for Kimbrel.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 7, 2018 0:56:19 GMT -5
Thing is, Inciarte has been pretty solid except for a 3-4 month stretch last year. Ozzie, he kills lefties. His career line is: .335/.357/.548/.905 So a hybrid leadoff solution should work. Our 2/3/4 slots NEED to be Acuna/Freeman/Donaldson. Those guys are all perfectly suited for those spots. So, short of a trade and new addition, an Inciarte/Albie's hybrid is the best concession for leadoff. I'd much prefer that to forcing our big-3 out if their most ideal batting slots. Brantley Acuna Freeman Donaldson Have Riley get reps in the OF, and if Brantley gets hurt, call him up, then we can talk about putting Inciarte up top, but even then, I’d be skeptical. You want your best hitters up top, so for me...if Brantley gets hurt... Acuna Donaldson Freeman Who the hell knows
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 7, 2018 1:39:39 GMT -5
I remember the Braves trying to acquire Piscotty before. I’d be ok with it. He’s had some up and downs but the potential is still there for him to be a real good player. Why wouldn’t the Mariners move Haniger? That’s just stupid at this point. Maybe they’re just saying that to try to get teams to up their offers. Well, from what I understand is that their asking price is too high. Basically Dipoto wanted the Braves top-3 prospects. Would you be cool with trading Riley+Anderson+ Soroka for Haniger? I wouldn’t. Definitely not.
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Post by papabrave on Dec 7, 2018 8:30:33 GMT -5
I remember the Braves trying to acquire Piscotty before. I’d be ok with it. He’s had some up and downs but the potential is still there for him to be a real good player. Why wouldn’t the Mariners move Haniger? That’s just stupid at this point. Maybe they’re just saying that to try to get teams to up their offers. Well, from what I understand is that their asking price is too high. Basically Dipoto wanted the Braves top-3 prospects. Would you be cool with trading Riley+Anderson+ Soroka for Haniger? I wouldn’t. " Our 2/3/4 slots NEED to be Acuna/Freeman/Donaldson." What if we batted Inciarte 9th . Then Acuna will technically be #2 with Donaldson and Freeman to follow at #3 and #4 after the 1st inning. You will get your top 3 hitters maximum at bats every single game this way.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Dec 7, 2018 8:56:33 GMT -5
Well, from what I understand is that their asking price is too high. Basically Dipoto wanted the Braves top-3 prospects. Would you be cool with trading Riley+Anderson+ Soroka for Haniger? I wouldn’t. " Our 2/3/4 slots NEED to be Acuna/Freeman/Donaldson." What if we batted Inciarte 9th . Then Acuna will technically be #2 with Donaldson and Freeman to follow at #3 and #4 after the 1st inning. You will get your top 3 hitters maximum at bats every single game this way. That's definitely something to consider. The lineup construction is basically on hold until we fill that OF spot, unless we are willing to go with Duvall or McCann/Flowers in the cleanup spot.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 7, 2018 9:38:45 GMT -5
Well, from what I understand is that their asking price is too high. Basically Dipoto wanted the Braves top-3 prospects. Would you be cool with trading Riley+Anderson+ Soroka for Haniger? I wouldn’t. " Our 2/3/4 slots NEED to be Acuna/Freeman/Donaldson." What if we batted Inciarte 9th . Then Acuna will technically be #2 with Donaldson and Freeman to follow at #3 and #4 after the 1st inning. You will get your top 3 hitters maximum at bats every single game this way. Hitting the pitcher 8th results in like .005 extra runs in a season. I’m rounding, but the point is putting Inciarte 9th isn’t gonna result in a clear net gain. Even lineup optimization (batting your best hitters 1,2, and 4) has a very slim net gain. If Snit bats Inciarte 9th I’ll be okay with it. I’d also like to see him not use a set closer either.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 7, 2018 10:18:54 GMT -5
I’ve never liked hitting the pitcher 8th. I’ve always looked at it this way:
After the first time through the lineup, for the entire rest of the game it’s the exact same thing as having Inciate bat first. The only difference over the course of the game is Inciarte will get one less AB, and you stand a better chance of having your pitcher come up at a point where you don’t really want him to during that first time through the lineup.
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Post by papabrave on Dec 7, 2018 13:11:20 GMT -5
I’ve never liked hitting the pitcher 8th. I’ve always looked at it this way: After the first time through the lineup, for the entire rest of the game it’s the exact same thing as having Inciate bat first. The only difference over the course of the game is Inciarte will get one less AB, and you stand a better chance of having your pitcher come up at a point where you don’t really want him to during that first time through the lineup. My only point is that you would prefer runners on when 1,2 and 3 comes back around after the 1st inning . Odds are, if you have a pitcher batting 9th ,you won't have many RBI opportunities. I want acuna and Donaldson to hit more with RISP
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Post by brady2705 on Dec 7, 2018 19:46:44 GMT -5
I’ve never liked hitting the pitcher 8th. I’ve always looked at it this way: After the first time through the lineup, for the entire rest of the game it’s the exact same thing as having Inciate bat first. The only difference over the course of the game is Inciarte will get one less AB, and you stand a better chance of having your pitcher come up at a point where you don’t really want him to during that first time through the lineup. My only point is that you would prefer runners on when 1,2 and 3 comes back around after the 1st inning . Odds are, if you have a pitcher batting 9th ,you won't have many RBI opportunities. I want acuna and Donaldson to hit more with RISP Exactly, the more they hit with men on, the better off we'll be. All those leadoff Acuna bombs were exciting, but I'd have been happier if 35% of them came with a man in base I'm willing to bet a pure sabermetric approach would support Ender 9th and then Acuna/Freeman/Donaldson 1-3. But I think the Braves are striking a wise balance between analytical and social dynamics. They tried batting Ender 9th, but Snit moved away from it because he felt it sent negative feedback unnecessarily to Ender. While the data may have supported it, the human/emotional part of the game is also relevant, and pumping up the confidence of these guys can have just as big of an impact in their performance. It's why guys loved playing for Bobby and Snit. They might not be 100% data-driven like Classless Dick, but the players respond well to them because of the little things. I agree with NightMan, if we can get an OF who's better suited for leading off, that would be ideal. But in the absence of that, I'd like to see Ender/Ozzie platoon for it based on splits, until someone emerges as the everyday guy. I still think Ozzie has the talent to do it, he just needs to mature his approach. He's just a kid, so there's every reason to think that maturation potential is in him.
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Post by papabrave on Dec 7, 2018 23:12:33 GMT -5
My only point is that you would prefer runners on when 1,2 and 3 comes back around after the 1st inning . Odds are, if you have a pitcher batting 9th ,you won't have many RBI opportunities. I want acuna and Donaldson to hit more with RISP Exactly, the more they hit with men on, the better off we'll be. All those leadoff Acuna bombs were exciting, but I'd have been happier if 35% of them came with a man in base I'm willing to bet a pure sabermetric approach would support Ender 9th and then Acuna/Freeman/Donaldson 1-3. But I think the Braves are striking a wise balance between analytical and social dynamics. They tried batting Ender 9th, but Snit moved away from it because he felt it sent negative feedback unnecessarily to Ender. While the data may have supported it, the human/emotional part of the game is also relevant, and pumping up the confidence of these guys can have just as big of an impact in their performance. It's why guys loved playing for Bobby and Snit. They might not be 100% data-driven like Classless Dick, but the players respond well to them because of the little things. I agree with NightMan, if we can get an OF who's better suited for leading off, that would be ideal. But in the absence of that, I'd like to see Ender/Ozzie platoon for it based on splits, until someone emerges as the everyday guy. I still think Ozzie has the talent to do it, he just needs to mature his approach. He's just a kid, so there's every reason to think that maturation potential is in him. "I'm willing to bet a pure sabermetric approach would support Ender 9th and then Acuna/Freeman/Donaldson 1-3. But I think the Braves are striking a wise balance between analytical and social dynamics. They tried batting Ender 9th, but Snit moved away from it because he felt it sent negative feedback unnecessarily to Ender. While the data may have supported it, the human/emotional part of the game is also relevant, and pumping up the confidence of these guys can have just as big of an impact in their performance." Totally agree but this theory also works the other way as well. Mookie Betts is a great example , lots of power and average. But they moved him to a more favorable rbi spot in the order (3rd) and he hit very badly . They moved him back to lead off and evidence shows he's more comfy hitting leadoff. Small sample size but Acuna is similar. I wonder myself if Ricky Henderson was tye same. I want a hitter to hit where he produces best. And work around that as best I can . Either way it's a great dilemma to have and very good discussion about . Could you imagine a lineup of 4 or 5 hitters you're trying to hide somewhere in a lineup and discussing that.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 7, 2018 23:45:48 GMT -5
Matt Carpenter only does well when he’s hitting leadoff. It seems kind of crazy, but it does hold true for some players.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 8, 2018 8:48:32 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 8, 2018 9:41:39 GMT -5
This is so awesome—I didn’t even know we had Floridian already. We can go ahead and trade Donaldson now!
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 8, 2018 10:10:37 GMT -5
This is so awesome—I didn’t even know we had Floridian already. We can go ahead and trade Donaldson now! I know, right?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 8, 2018 11:13:06 GMT -5
This is so awesome—I didn’t even know we had Floridian already. We can go ahead and trade Donaldson now! I know, right? Now if we could just pry Moniak from the Faillies the future would be ours too! I can’t believe I didn’t catch that my phone auto corrected “Florimon” to “Floridian.” This stupid thing pisses me off sometimes with the damned auto corrections. But I’m so bad at typing I leave it on. I am not one of those computer typewriter guys.
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