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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2018 16:04:31 GMT -5
Grandal will probably cost a lot is he that much more valuable than Zuke My opinion is yes he would be. Depending on how we plan to use money otherwise, we have the money so we should get a significant upgrade in Grandal. He's averaged about 3.0 WAR for the last 4 seasons, is a switch hitter and a better defensive catcher than Suzuki. My preference would have been to have Grandal and Suzuki as our catchers the next two years, but now we've signed Flowers so that shoots that in the ass.
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 15, 2018 16:39:26 GMT -5
Grandal cost= $ + draft pick
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2018 17:56:01 GMT -5
Grandal cost= $ + draft pick The way I read the rule, a team that receives revenue sharing and signs someone who rejected a qualifying offer will lose its third-highest selection in the following year's draft.
That's nowhere near comparable to giving up one of your top 5-10 prospects.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2018 21:14:46 GMT -5
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Post by akod on Nov 15, 2018 21:50:36 GMT -5
So our 2nd round pick because we have 2 first rounders. We can’t be nearsighted on this. One or two big trades could gut a farm that will be hindered beyond this draft greatly. This is our last big influx of talent before consistent lower draft picks and hardly any Latin American talent.
I’d take Donaldson and Ramos as big impact free agents and call it a day on the headliners.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2018 21:59:04 GMT -5
So our 2nd round pick because we have 2 first rounders. We can’t be nearsighted on this. One or two big trades could gut a farm that will be hindered beyond this draft greatly. This is our last big influx of talent before consistent lower draft picks and hardly any Latin American talent. I’d take Donaldson and Ramos as big impact free agents and call it a day on the headliners. What would our OF look like next year?
I don't want Donaldson, don't we already have two guys to play 3B? Riley and Camargo? I'd be more than fine with Ramos, but we need an OF one way or the other. And not Danny Freaking Santana!
There's been talk here about either Riley or Camaego being moved to the OF and be fine trying either one of them.
I agree about the draft picks. I think the only way we get Realmuto is if Miami takes major league ready players like Camargo, Ender, Fried, Newcomb or Dansby. If one wants to consider Dansby a major league ready hitter that is.
Or some combo of major league ready along with a prospect or two who are not in our top 7-8.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 15, 2018 22:24:02 GMT -5
I don't know why we are really concerned about our farm system being gutted by anything we end up doing.
When we entered the rebuild there was a plan to build and maintain a strong farm system. I don't believe they would have hired AA if they thought he was going to gut the farm for a 2-3 season run and then have us right back where we were before.
That beind said, we only have so many spots in the rotation so I do see us trading a part of that pitching depth to fill other needs. It doesn't make any sense to just hoard assets we don't have room for or to use them all as pen guys when they can bring us an every day player in an other area of need.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2018 22:49:17 GMT -5
I don't know why we are really concerned about our farm system being gutted by anything we end up doing. When we entered the rebuild there was a plan to build and maintain a strong farm system. I don't believe they would have hired AA if they thought he was going to gut the farm for a 2-3 season run and then have us right back where we were before. I agree with that, but I think it's a little hard to completely trust it all the way since the burn from Wren gutting the farm and the rebuild happening is still fresh in our minds. I trust AA about 98% of the way not to throw away our farm. Maybe 99%. Ok, 98%. But I'm working on 99%.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 15, 2018 23:10:27 GMT -5
I am playing the percentages...
Plus ya know what... if we sell the farm to make a 3-4 year run then what will be will be. I imagine we would be pretty loaded for that run.
Ultimately I can't change what will happen so I am not going to do a lot of hand wringing about it. Whatever happens, we're in a good position for a run. I am all for being pragmatic, but I don't want to half-ass an opportunity. There's a balance here that must be struck, but too much caution isn't it. I just know we don't have room for all of our pitching prospects and we can't wait for some of them to crash and burn before you try and move them. At some point a prospect with potential is going to have to be moved.
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Post by akod on Nov 15, 2018 23:13:09 GMT -5
Well I’m going to freak the out any chance I get! Cause !
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2018 23:55:45 GMT -5
I am playing the percentages... Plus ya know what... if we sell the farm to make a 3-4 year run then what will be will be. I imagine we would be pretty loaded for that run. Ultimately I can't change what will happen so I am not going to do a lot of hand wringing about it. Whatever happens, we're in a good position for a run. I am all for being pragmatic, but I don't want to half-ass an opportunity. There's a balance here that must be struck, but too much caution isn't it. I just know we don't have room for all of our pitching prospects and we can't wait for some of them to crash and burn before you try and move them. At some point a prospect with potential is going to have to be moved.I would suggest we move either Andy Marte, Brad Komminsk, Randall Delgado or Christian Bethancourt.
Call it a hunch.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 16, 2018 1:31:09 GMT -5
I seriously doubt the Braves sign a single FA that got a QO offer. As has been mentioned, the Braves can't afford to piss away draft picks, in light of their int'l FA punishment.
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Post by jryanw on Nov 18, 2018 9:11:02 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/marlins-trade-rumors-jt-realmuto-astros-kyle-tucker.htmlFrom the article: 9:54am: There are as many as 10 teams showing some degree of trade interest in Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto, tweets MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro, who also notes that Miami’s lofty asking price isn’t likely to drop anytime soon. The Astros are one of the many teams in the Realmuto market, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (Twitter links), but to this point they’ve insisted that either outfielder Kyle Tucker or right-hander Forrest Whitley be at the center of the return. Both players are considered to be among the 10 to 15 best prospects in all of baseball. Morosi adds that the Braves are “actively looking for a catcher,” but the Marlins would prefer not to deal Realmuto within the division.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 18, 2018 11:54:26 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/marlins-trade-rumors-jt-realmuto-astros-kyle-tucker.htmlFrom the article: 9:54am: There are as many as 10 teams showing some degree of trade interest in Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto, tweets MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro, who also notes that Miami’s lofty asking price isn’t likely to drop anytime soon. The Astros are one of the many teams in the Realmuto market, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (Twitter links), but to this point they’ve insisted that either outfielder Kyle Tucker or right-hander Forrest Whitley be at the center of the return. Both players are considered to be among the 10 to 15 best prospects in all of baseball. Morosi adds that the Braves are “actively looking for a catcher,” but the Marlins would prefer not to deal Realmuto within the division. Braves need to move on. Most are slotting Grandal in at 4-years, $64 million. I say the Braves should fly him out to STP, have some of the players there, have Snitker there, talk about all the young pitchers, talk about all the homers he'll hit, talk about how he's the best pitch framer in the game, and offer him $18 mil., per year.
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Post by peteorr on Nov 18, 2018 18:43:01 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/marlins-trade-rumors-jt-realmuto-astros-kyle-tucker.htmlFrom the article: 9:54am: There are as many as 10 teams showing some degree of trade interest in Marlins catcher J.T. Realmuto, tweets MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro, who also notes that Miami’s lofty asking price isn’t likely to drop anytime soon. The Astros are one of the many teams in the Realmuto market, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi (Twitter links), but to this point they’ve insisted that either outfielder Kyle Tucker or right-hander Forrest Whitley be at the center of the return. Both players are considered to be among the 10 to 15 best prospects in all of baseball. Morosi adds that the Braves are “actively looking for a catcher,” but the Marlins would prefer not to deal Realmuto within the division. Braves need to move on. Most are slotting Grandal in at 4-years, $64 million. I say the Braves should fly him out to STP, have some of the players there, have Snitker there, talk about all the young pitchers, talk about all the homers he'll hit, talk about how he's the best pitch framer in the game, and offer him $18 mil., per year. I agree that the Braves need to move on. To me Grandal isn't necessarily the logical conclusion, although I guess you could consider him. You want to be paying roughly $9M per WAR as I understand it. Obviously less is better for all teams and further, the Braves can probably afford the going rate in some, but not all contracts. Grandal is now 30. You would probably want two 3 WAR seasons out of him in 2019 and 2020 and 2 or 2.5 WAR out of him in 2021 and 2022. Do you expect that out of him? Is there a different area in which the Braves can spend to get a more likely return? To me jumping from Realmuto to Grandal means you desire an elite catcher. Is an elite catcher necessary? The way I look at it Suzuki would be much cheaper than $18M a season and he could very well play just as well as Grandal would in years three and four. Does Grandal make you a World Series contender? Alone, he does not. To me there needs to be a number of corresponding moves to truly improve the team for a Grandal signing to make sense. I'm just not excited by the prospects of year three and four of his potential deal. You may disagree. There is also the chance that Grandal might be bad from the start. I would really hesitate to spend big on a catcher. There are exceptions such as clear hall of fame catchers and Brian McCann who was fairly good and significantly younger than Grandal when he was paid.
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