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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 1, 2018 13:23:09 GMT -5
It's just depth to replace the catcher we send to the Marlins in the JTR deal.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 1, 2018 13:43:26 GMT -5
It's just depth to replace the catcher we send to the Marlins in the JTR deal. Contreras?
I'm not too fond of giving up much for JTR for only two years guaranteed. If we trade much for him we better plan to be able to extend him immediately.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 1, 2018 13:53:17 GMT -5
It's just depth to replace the catcher we send to the Marlins in the JTR deal. Contreras?
I'm not too fond of giving up much for JTR for only two years guaranteed. If we trade much for him we better plan to be able to extend him immediately.
I was thinking more like Alex Jackson
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 1, 2018 18:29:23 GMT -5
I was just thinking the Braves needed a starter in AAA.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 2, 2018 7:06:36 GMT -5
All of the above is true...
I doubt anyone here thinks we made that deal thinking he would be a part of our ML team. It's just organizational depth.
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Post by jryanw on Nov 12, 2018 9:15:50 GMT -5
I know this is going to be really unpopular but I cannot express strongly enough how much of a bad idea Realmuto would be for us. He's a 27 year old catcher who has power, has speed on the base path, and plays really good defense. That all sounds great. Here's the problem: he's unhappy with the Marlins because he wants to get paid. The Marlins are smart to not pay him because for catchers hitting for power and speed deteriorates quickly. Often times it hits them around 30. The other issue is he's gonna cost prospects that would also be a good centerpiece in a move for an ace or a better hitting position player. Now if we could get him at a reasonable prospect price and he will be happy playing for his current contract then lets get him yesterday. Unfortunately neither of those things are true. Finally the only way to make a solid hitting catcher like him last longer is to give him some time at 1st or DH so his knees get less impact. We don't have a DH and we have the best 1st baseman in the national league. We Would be much better served going for an ace or throwing those prospects plus a few more to get arenado or Bryant.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Nov 13, 2018 11:13:09 GMT -5
I know this is going to be really unpopular but I cannot express strongly enough how much of a bad idea Realmuto would be for us. He's a 27 year old catcher who has power, has speed on the base path, and plays really good defense. That all sounds great. Here's the problem: he's unhappy with the Marlins because he wants to get paid. The Marlins are smart to not pay him because for catchers hitting for power and speed deteriorates quickly. Often times it hits them around 30. The other issue is he's gonna cost prospects that would also be a good centerpiece in a move for an ace or a better hitting position player. Now if we could get him at a reasonable prospect price and he will be happy playing for his current contract then lets get him yesterday. Unfortunately neither of those things are true. Finally the only way to make a solid hitting catcher like him last longer is to give him some time at 1st or DH so his knees get less impact. We don't have a DH and we have the best 1st baseman in the national league. We Would be much better served going for an ace or throwing those prospects plus a few more to get arenado or Bryant. Good points, but I'd still like to get him!
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 13, 2018 11:40:56 GMT -5
I know this is going to be really unpopular but I cannot express strongly enough how much of a bad idea Realmuto would be for us. He's a 27 year old catcher who has power, has speed on the base path, and plays really good defense. That all sounds great. Here's the problem: he's unhappy with the Marlins because he wants to get paid. The Marlins are smart to not pay him because for catchers hitting for power and speed deteriorates quickly. Often times it hits them around 30. The other issue is he's gonna cost prospects that would also be a good centerpiece in a move for an ace or a better hitting position player. Now if we could get him at a reasonable prospect price and he will be happy playing for his current contract then lets get him yesterday. Unfortunately neither of those things are true. Finally the only way to make a solid hitting catcher like him last longer is to give him some time at 1st or DH so his knees get less impact. We don't have a DH and we have the best 1st baseman in the national league. We Would be much better served going for an ace or throwing those prospects plus a few more to get arenado or Bryant. Good points, but I'd still like to get him! Yeah, so would I, as long as the cost isn't prohibitive. One reason is because Realmuto doesn't seem to have the typical catcher's body type. He's leaner and more athletic. He's sort of a young version of Suzuki in that regard. My point is, I think there's a good chance he will age better than most catchers. I like him a bit more for that reason.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2018 12:18:41 GMT -5
Good points, but I'd still like to get him! Yeah, so would I, as long as the cost isn't prohibitive. One reason is because Realmuto doesn't seem to have the typical catcher's body type. He's leaner and more athletic. He's sort of a young version of Suzuki in that regard. My point is, I think there's a good chance he will age better than most catchers. I like him a bit more for that reason. Totally agree. I wouldn't overpay for him but I think he'll be really good well into his 30's. He's already played some first base, as he ages he can do that more often and that will help some.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 13, 2018 13:26:34 GMT -5
There are always a handful of exceptions to the archetype and if you can get a guy for 3-4 years who can perform well above the mean then you do it. Especially when there are only a handful of guys who give you an OPS+ so far above almost everyone else.
Yes you might can go duplicate his offensive output with a signing for RF, but the difference between the 1st and 10th catcher is greater than the difference between the 1st and 10th right fielder.. and the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc best RF's are not even available to add anyway.
I don't think we will overpay for anyone but there's a lot of value in the #1 catcher in baseball whose OPS+ has risen every single year... even when buying high; Especially if you can deal cards from a stacked prospect deck to obtain him.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2018 14:50:40 GMT -5
JTR does only have two more years of arbitration eligibility, so he can become a FA after 2020. That scares me a little, but it should also mean we could get him for a little less. Then hopefully sign him to an extension.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Nov 13, 2018 14:55:30 GMT -5
JTR does only have two more years of arbitration eligibility, so he can become a FA after 2020. That scares me a little, but it should also mean we could get him for a little less. Then hopefully sign him to an extension. A sure thing for at least 2 years trumps a few prospects (I hope)...
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2018 14:59:43 GMT -5
JTR does only have two more years of arbitration eligibility, so he can become a FA after 2020. That scares me a little, but it should also mean we could get him for a little less. Then hopefully sign him to an extension. A sure thing for at least 2 years trumps a few prospects (I hope)... I'd say it totally depends on which prospects. I'd be willing to trade Ender in place of a prospect if that can be done.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 13, 2018 15:16:47 GMT -5
A sure thing for at least 2 years trumps a few prospects (I hope)... I'd say it totally depends on which prospects. I'd be willing to trade Ender in place of a prospect if that can be done. The problem with trading Ender is that creates two holes in the OF - unless you're penciling Duvall in at LF.
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 13, 2018 15:27:19 GMT -5
If we trade for JTR potential buyers remorse must factor in the possible success of anyone we trade and the reality we will see them against us quite often
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