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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2018 15:29:30 GMT -5
If we trade for JTR potential buyers remorse must factor in the possible success of anyone we trade and the reality we will see them against us quite often That's true, but it's true every time you make any move.
Just look at how much we've regretted cutting Danny Santana loose for instance.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2018 15:37:27 GMT -5
If we trade for JTR potential buyers remorse must factor in the possible success of anyone we trade and the reality we will see them against us quite often That's true, but it's true every time you make any move.
Just look at how much we've regretted cutting Danny Santana loose for instance.
After all. we ended up with that Acuna guy playing LF instead of Santana, what a rip off!
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Post by jryanw on Nov 14, 2018 8:03:02 GMT -5
There are always a handful of exceptions to the archetype and if you can get a guy for 3-4 years who can perform well above the mean then you do it. This is very true unfortunately exceptions to the archetype happen very rarely at catcher. The last exception to an elite catcher breaking down around 30 that I remember is Molina and before that would probably be Ivan Rodriguez. Could Realtmufo be a Molina or Rodriguez? Sure, but I'm not keen on giving up the type of prospects it would take for a maybe. He's much more likely to fall into the traditional catcher mold of losing power and speed with age because our knees aren't meant to be in that position for 140-161 days a year. Lets not also forget that the Marlins are going to ask us for more than they would a team outside of the division(basically a "we are going to have to compete against him" fee). Reports last year had the Marlins asking for an Acuna or Albies package for Yelich. He went considerably cheaper to the Brewers. The ideal team for Realmuto would be one that has a gap at 1st, so he can play there once a week, or a DH spot. We have neither.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2018 9:09:37 GMT -5
I think your cutoff point at 30 for catchers is low. I’m not going to bother to research it because it’s not important enough, but off the top of my head I can think of Posey, Ramos and Grandal who are all over 30 now and not broken down. And I feel certain there’s been many more over the years. I believe 33-35 is a more realistic time frame to expect most catchers to have issues.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2018 9:12:02 GMT -5
And has been pointed out, JTR is far more athletic and in way better shape than almost any catcher I’ve seen in my lifetime, that’s going to increase his odds for longevity.
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Post by jryanw on Nov 14, 2018 12:06:02 GMT -5
I think your cutoff point at 30 for catchers is low. I’m not going to bother to research it because it’s not important enough, but off the top of my head I can think of Posey, Ramos and Grandal who are all over 30 now and not broken down. And I feel certain there’s been many more over the years. I believe 33-35 is a more realistic time frame to expect most catchers to have issues. Ramos age 29 64 games 0.1, Age 30 106 games at catcher 2.7 Posey age 29 106 games at catcher war 3, age 30 99 games at catcher war 2.3, age 31 88 games at catcher war 1.5 Grandal hasn't Played a baseball season at 30 yet. Joe Mauer age 29 74 games at catcher war 4.4, age 30 75 games at catcher war 5.6, age 31 moved to 1st base 2.0 war age 32 1st and DH 1.7 war Brian McCann age 29 92 games at catcher war 2.7, age 30 108 games at catcher war 1.8, age 31 126 games at catcher war 2.6 age 32 92 games at catcher war 0.9
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2018 15:15:15 GMT -5
I think your cutoff point at 30 for catchers is low. I’m not going to bother to research it because it’s not important enough, but off the top of my head I can think of Posey, Ramos and Grandal who are all over 30 now and not broken down. And I feel certain there’s been many more over the years. I believe 33-35 is a more realistic time frame to expect most catchers to have issues. Ramos age 29 64 games 0.1, Age 30 106 games at catcher 2.7 Posey age 29 106 games at catcher war 3, age 30 99 games at catcher war 2.3, age 31 88 games at catcher war 1.5 Grandal hasn't Played a baseball season at 30 yet. Joe Mauer age 29 74 games at catcher war 4.4, age 30 75 games at catcher war 5.6, age 31 moved to 1st base 2.0 war age 32 1st and DH 1.7 war Brian McCann age 29 92 games at catcher war 2.7, age 30 108 games at catcher war 1.8, age 31 126 games at catcher war 2.6 age 32 92 games at catcher war 0.9 Most players have points in their career where they have some injury issues. Posey, Ramos and Grandal are in good enough shape there's no reason to think they won't all be good for another 3-5 years. And again, Realmuto is in rare physical condition for a catcher.
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 14, 2018 19:30:44 GMT -5
Bout the same size and fanfare as Lucroy
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 14, 2018 20:54:56 GMT -5
Bout the same size and fanfare as Lucroy This is what scares me. Lucroy was Realmuto before Realmuto.
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 14, 2018 21:17:55 GMT -5
but as the late great SNL Roseanne Roseannadanna Would say " It just goes to show you it's always something, if it ain't one thing, it's another"
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 15, 2018 10:17:44 GMT -5
Well it's not just some crazy idea. I mean the actual GM of the team made overtures before the deadline and I trust his decision making process more than mine or anyone else here.
I trust that again this off-season. Kick the tires... see the cost... make a decision. I don't think anyone is suggesting give up the farm and do something stupid. The only stupid thing would be not even making inquiries to see what the cost would be.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2018 12:04:07 GMT -5
Having stated my support for Realmuto, I would also like to reiterate I would only trade for him if the prospect hit was really low, which likely isn’t doable. I’d be willing to part with Ender as part of it if that was possible. But if we just pick any players at random, say Newcomb and Fried, we would be better off having Newcomb, Fried and Ramos or Newcomb, Fried and Grandal than just Realmuto and lose Newcomb and Fried. Or any other two random good prospects.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2018 12:07:22 GMT -5
Realmuto would be a nice luxury if we could do a sensible trade, but in reality we only really need a bridge for 2-3 years to get to Contreras. So hanging onto the prospects and getting a good catcher for 2-3 years is a better idea than giving up the prospects for the best catcher in baseball. Especially when he only has two years left on his contract.
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Post by jryanw on Nov 15, 2018 14:12:25 GMT -5
Having stated my support for Realmuto, I would also like to reiterate I would only trade for him if the prospect hit was really low, which likely isn’t doable. I’d be willing to part with Ender as part of it if that was possible. But if we just pick any players at random, say Newcomb and Fried, we would be better off having Newcomb, Fried and Ramos or Newcomb, Fried and Grandal than just Realmuto and lose Newcomb and Fried. Or any other two random good prospects. 100% agree. I'd love to have him but he will likely cost WAY too much in prospects + an extension.
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 15, 2018 14:28:23 GMT -5
Grandal will probably cost a lot is he that much more valuable than Zuke
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