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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 8, 2020 15:44:10 GMT -5
35-40 bombs and 100 RBI's is a lot to expect out of Riley considering
how abysmal he was after the first 2 and half weeks.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 8, 2020 15:59:56 GMT -5
35-40 bombs and 100 RBI's is a lot to expect out of Riley considering how abysmal he was after the first 2 and half weeks. Trusting in our scouts who touted him as our future power hitting 3B. Kid has raw power - he showed that. But he also showed that he has a lot to learn as far as making adjustments. If he gets 500+ ABs and shows some maturity, he could be a JD like force in the middle of the order, at a fraction of the price. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 8, 2020 16:11:07 GMT -5
Steve Adams MLBTR opinion“ I said before ... at this point I'd go 30/30/30 percent on Braves/Twins/Nats and 10% on some mystery team(or a rekindled interest from LAD/TEX). I kind of feel like if he was going to sign in Atlanta, it'd have happened by now, but maybe if the Twins and Nats refuse to approach/exceed $100MM, he'll just take Atlanta's best four-year offer (which I don't believe is all that close to 100 at this point)” I told you he had overplayed his hand. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 8, 2020 16:16:57 GMT -5
35-40 bombs and 100 RBI's is a lot to expect out of Riley considering how abysmal he was after the first 2 and half weeks. It is, but I suppose it could happen. Thing is, if he does do that, will he do it with an OBP of .275 and a 40% K rate? I mean, Gallo doesn't hit for average and strikes out a ton, too, but his career OBP is around .330. I really think that's the biggest concern with Riley. Walks not only meaner a higher OBP, they mean you have a good idea of the strike zone. Last year, he swung at EVERYTHING. You just can't do that. |
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Post by PABraveFan on Jan 8, 2020 16:17:12 GMT -5
Steve Adams MLBTR opinion“ I said before ... at this point I'd go 30/30/30 percent on Braves/Twins/Nats and 10% on some mystery team(or a rekindled interest from LAD/TEX). I kind of feel like if he was going to sign in Atlanta, it'd have happened by now, but maybe if the Twins and Nats refuse to approach/exceed $100MM, he'll just take Atlanta's best four-year offer (which I don't believe is all that close to 100 at this point)” I told you he had overplayed his hand. Maybe so. I kind of insinuated that several days ago. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 8, 2020 16:22:12 GMT -5
Riley has struggled at every level and then figured it out big time. Between him and Camargo I feel pretty confident one or both of them can give us plenty of production and good defense at 3B.
Remember these guys? They're two really good baseball player guys.
300 inconsistent PA's for Riley and 248 mostly struggling PA's for Camargo and we're ready to kick them to gutter.
Some guys get 1800 pretty poor PA's and don't suffer that kind of fate at all, kind of the opposite.
Oh well.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 8, 2020 16:24:51 GMT -5
Riley has struggled at every level and then figured it out big time. Between him and Camargo I feel pretty confident one or both of them can give us plenty of production and good defense at 3B.
Remember these guys? They're two really good baseball player guys.
300 inconsistent PA's for Riley and 248 mostly struggling PA's for Camargo and we're ready to kick them to gutter.
Some guys get 1800 pretty poor PA's and don't suffer that kind of fate at all, kind of the opposite.
Oh well.
Yeah, we got one of those 1800 PA's guys on our team, don't we? The guy with the cool hair, right? |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 8, 2020 16:31:06 GMT -5
35-40 bombs and 100 RBI's is a lot to expect out of Riley considering how abysmal he was after the first 2 and half weeks. It is, but I suppose it could happen. Thing is, if he does do that, will he do it with an OBP of .275 and a 40% K rate? I mean, Gallo doesn't hit for average and strikes out a ton, too, but his career OBP is around .330. I really think that's the biggest concern with Riley. Walks not only meaner a higher OBP, they mean you have a good idea of the strike zone. Last year, he swung at EVERYTHING. You just can't do that. I'll admit I probably shot a little high there, but I have seen some projections that show him with over 500 ABs, about a .250 average, 30 HRs and 90 RBIs, .800 OPS. No guarantees, but for a middle of the order bat making the league minimum, I'd take close to those numbers.
And yes, he would have to show much more plate discipline.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 8, 2020 16:35:51 GMT -5
It is, but I suppose it could happen. Thing is, if he does do that, will he do it with an OBP of .275 and a 40% K rate? I mean, Gallo doesn't hit for average and strikes out a ton, too, but his career OBP is around .330. I really think that's the biggest concern with Riley. Walks not only meaner a higher OBP, they mean you have a good idea of the strike zone. Last year, he swung at EVERYTHING. You just can't do that. I'll admit I probably shot a little high there, but I have seen some projections that show him with over 500 ABs, about a .250 average, 30 HRs and 90 RBIs, .800 OPS. No guarantees, but for a middle of the order bat making the league minimum, I'd take close to those numbers.
And yes, he would have to show much more plate discipline.
He strikes me as a good kid who works hard, so if Riley is anything like I think he is, he's spent his winter vacation working on those weaknesses. I mean, Geezus, he's not even 23 years old yet, which is really young. Everybody can't be like Acuna, Soto, and Trout. It wouldn't surprise me to see him take a big leap.......and it wouldn't surprise me to see him struggle. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 8, 2020 16:36:38 GMT -5
Riley has struggled at every level and then figured it out big time. Between him and Camargo I feel pretty confident one or both of them can give us plenty of production and good defense at 3B.
Remember these guys? They're two really good baseball player guys.
300 inconsistent PA's for Riley and 248 mostly struggling PA's for Camargo and we're ready to kick them to gutter.
Some guys get 1800 pretty poor PA's and don't suffer that kind of fate at all, kind of the opposite.
Oh well.
Yeah, we got one of those 1800 PA's guys on our team, don't we? The guy with the cool hair, right?  |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 8, 2020 16:38:23 GMT -5
It's a shame Dansby can't hit, because otherwise he's pretty damn good. That's kind of like being a guard in basketball that can't shoot, though, isn't it?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 8, 2020 16:45:30 GMT -5
It's a shame Dansby can't hit, because otherwise he's pretty damn good. That's kind of like being a guard in basketball that can't shoot, though, isn't it? Personally I wouldn't say he can't hit, he's just had a LOT of trouble being consistent. If we weren't a contending team I'd be perfectly fine having a couple more years of patience with him. But I find it hard to maintain that patience when we are pretty near legit contenders now and have this talk of pretty extreme desperation trying to upgrade another position. In fact I'd still have patience with Dansby if we left 3B to Riley and Camargo and tried to add a power bat like Marte or Castellanos. Going that route we'd also have money to put towards another real good player or pitcher as opposed to signing JD. I just see that as a better approach to making the team better overall. I'd feel totally different about all that if JD was 30 years old, but he ain't. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 8, 2020 16:52:45 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is ready to kick Riley or Camargo to the curb. I still
have high hopes for them. It's just if you want to win right now and you
have a "right now" more consistent choice that you can afford then you
might want to go with more of the sure thing.
That of course does mean that you must have confidence in that so called
sure thing, and you have to be comfortable with the risk. I am if AA is... and
Riley/Camargo is a nice plan B if JD is plan A.
There really is no Plan B if the Riley/Camargo tandem doesn't work out.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 8, 2020 17:07:04 GMT -5
I don't think anyone is ready to kick Riley or Camargo to the curb. I still have high hopes for them. It's just if you want to win right now and you have a "right now" more consistent choice that you can afford then you might want to go with more of the sure thing. That of course does mean that you must have confidence in that so called sure thing, and you have to be comfortable with the risk. I am if AA is... and Riley/Camargo is a nice plan B if JD is plan A. There really is no Plan B if the Riley/Camargo tandem doesn't work out. I agree with almost all of that, I do think if we sign JD we've completely kicked Riley/Camargo to the curb, but I do feel much better that we are hearing AA MIGHT not be willing to spend crazy money for JD.
I think there's risk both ways, there's risk going with JD and there's risk going with Riley/Camargo. But I do think you have to add in that if we go with the Riley/Camargo risk, we would also be able to add two more good MLB ready players to the mix with that extra money.
I would feel better about going with JD if I knew we would then trade either Riley or Camargo and get back some piece that we'd actually have a plan to use. If we sign JD then send Riley to AAA and sit Camargo on the bench to rot, that's a worst case scenario to me. Unless Riley killed it in AAA and we could get a haul in return for him.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 8, 2020 17:16:45 GMT -5
well that is another piece of the puzzle. Riley still has value, and if we signed JD and are then able to get a trade return for Riley, and you have to count that as part of the total deal. none of these scenarios exist in a vacuum.
Plus another reason why am really not too worried about it is that this organization has made a commitment to not do stupid things with free agents and big long contracts. I don't think that goes out the window because AA likes JD. If we do sign him I think it will either not be "stupid money", or that there might be something mitigating the risk.
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