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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 4, 2020 21:32:39 GMT -5
Yep. And the same one who didn’t really play all that well when he was given a chance. So........a baseball player should just be able to seamlessly shift from being a 3-4 WAR regular to a spot starter and pinch hitter. Got it. No. Not at all. I just never saw Camargo as being a consistent 3-4 WAR player, despite his tremendous 2018. Let me ask you this ... let’s say the Braves never signed JD last year and Camargo was the regular 3B. Would they have been as good? |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 4, 2020 21:52:45 GMT -5
Because of who we're loosening them for. Not for a dynamic player in his prime, but for a past his prime guy who, while he is a nice power hitter, his defense is overrated, he can't run a lick, and he is a huge injury risk. Braves already increased payroll. Why are you SO against the JD signing? I get maybe being worried it might not work out, but you’ve basically, based on what I’ve seen, taking the same stance many took when the Braves first signed him. Personally, dude just came off a 6 WAR season. Considering the Braves window is currently open, I’ll take two really good years, one okay year, and one bad year, if it means the Braves make a serious run over the next couple of years. It’s a win now move, clear as day. Eventually the Braves had to do it, and considering the other options were either a massive amount of money, see Rendon, or massive amounts of prospect capital, I’m fine with this move. Rendon is 5 years younger, bats about 50 points higher average wise, and plays his best when it matters most. Donaldson had a great middle of the season last year. He sucked in the beginning and at the end when we really needed him. We paid him for that. The next 4 years has nothing to do with last year anyway. You're OK with 2 good years for $100 million. Wow |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 4, 2020 21:54:14 GMT -5
So........a baseball player should just be able to seamlessly shift from being a 3-4 WAR regular to a spot starter and pinch hitter. Got it. No. Not at all. I just never saw Camargo as being a consistent 3-4 WAR player, despite his tremendous 2018. Let me ask you this ... let’s say the Braves never signed JD last year and Camargo was the regular 3B. Would they have been as good? Good enough to lose in the first round again? Yeah, probably. We'll never know. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 4, 2020 21:57:12 GMT -5
Why is nobody talking about how LM has FINALLY loosened the purse strings and given the Braves money to drastically increase payroll? I have talked about it. I've said it's great we are finally willing to put some money at risk instead of dealing away prospects to save some cash. I also noted I didn't think we would make this offer for JD at the expense of doing other important things like extending Freddie. I also said I thought this indicated we were now at a point where a deal for around 25-26 per for 4 years wasn't going to kill us if year 4 maybe isn't that great because JD falls off. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 4, 2020 21:59:59 GMT -5
We'll be damn lucky to get 2 good years from Donaldson. Wait and see. He doesn't have the flexibility to age well. Just my 2 cents. We're hellbent on doing it, so I'm hoping for the best. Riley will no doubt be traded now, too. All because he struggled after his hot start last year.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 4, 2020 22:00:30 GMT -5
Braves already increased payroll. Why are you SO against the JD signing? I get maybe being worried it might not work out, but you’ve basically, based on what I’ve seen, taking the same stance many took when the Braves first signed him. Personally, dude just came off a 6 WAR season. Considering the Braves window is currently open, I’ll take two really good years, one okay year, and one bad year, if it means the Braves make a serious run over the next couple of years. It’s a win now move, clear as day. Eventually the Braves had to do it, and considering the other options were either a massive amount of money, see Rendon, or massive amounts of prospect capital, I’m fine with this move. Rendon is 5 years younger, bats about 50 points higher average wise, and plays his best when it matters most. Donaldson had a great middle of the season last year. He sucked in the beginning and at the end when we really needed him. We paid him for that. The next 4 years has nothing to do with last year anyway. You're OK with 2 good years for $100 million. Wow That’s irrational thinking, no offense. Rendon is getting near double the years, and will be making $38 million the last 4 years of the deal, each. If you can’t get behind JD for 25 between 34 and 37 and you can get behind Rendon for 38 between 33 and 36 then you’re being irrational. Sorry. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 4, 2020 22:04:39 GMT -5
Why is nobody talking about how LM has FINALLY loosened the purse strings and given the Braves money to drastically increase payroll? I have talked about it. I've said it's great we are finally willing to put some money at risk instead of dealing away prospects to save some cash. I also noted I didn't think we would make this offer for JD at the expense of doing other important things like extending Freddie. I also said I thought this indicated we were now at a point where a deal for around 25-26 per for 4 years wasn't going to kill us if year 4 maybe isn't that great because JD falls off. Signing JD won’t hurt the Braves chances of resigning Freeman. Freeman will make $22 m. in 2021, he’ll be 32. Freeman might get a slight raise due to inflation, or he’ll make roughly the same, but that just means the Braves will continue to pay him what they’re already paying him, give or take. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 4, 2020 22:08:45 GMT -5
Rendon is 5 years younger, bats about 50 points higher average wise, and plays his best when it matters most. Donaldson had a great middle of the season last year. He sucked in the beginning and at the end when we really needed him. We paid him for that. The next 4 years has nothing to do with last year anyway. You're OK with 2 good years for $100 million. Wow That’s irrational thinking, no offense. Rendon is getting near double the years, and will be making $38 million the last 4 years of the deal, each. If you can’t get behind JD for 25 between 34 and 37 and you can get behind Rendon for 38 between 33 and 36 then you’re being irrational. Sorry. First of all, I NEVER said that we should have signed Rendon. Secondly, you're talking 4 or 5 of Rendon's prime years and zero of Donaldson's. There's nothing irrational about that at all. Sorry |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 4, 2020 22:16:14 GMT -5
That’s irrational thinking, no offense. Rendon is getting near double the years, and will be making $38 million the last 4 years of the deal, each. If you can’t get behind JD for 25 between 34 and 37 and you can get behind Rendon for 38 between 33 and 36 then you’re being irrational. Sorry. First of all, I NEVER said that we should have signed Rendon. Secondly, you're talking 4 or 5 of Rendon's prime years and zero of Donaldson's. There's nothing irrational about that at all. Sorry I asked you why you’re against the JD deal and you brought up Rendon. What else was I to think? You brought up Rendon, I didn’t. What was your point? Rendon’s deal is 7 years and he’ll be 30 when it starts. He’s already past his prime years, technically. 4 or 5 years of Rendon’s prime, as you put it, is his age 30 to 34 years, after that it’s 3 years and $114 million remaining. So while you’ll get some good years from Rendon, at what cost? $114 million on his age 35-37, or his past his prime, years. Again, don’t know why you brought him up, so let’s just forget that and help me understand why you’re SO anti-JD, and what do you think they should have done, since you’re not saying they should have signed Rendon. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 4, 2020 22:50:49 GMT -5
First of all, I NEVER said that we should have signed Rendon. Secondly, you're talking 4 or 5 of Rendon's prime years and zero of Donaldson's. There's nothing irrational about that at all. Sorry I asked you why you’re against the JD deal and you brought up Rendon. What else was I to think? You brought up Rendon, I didn’t. What was your point? Rendon’s deal is 7 years and he’ll be 30 when it starts. He’s already past his prime years, technically. 4 or 5 years of Rendon’s prime, as you put it, is his age 30 to 34 years, after that it’s 3 years and $114 million remaining. So while you’ll get some good years from Rendon, at what cost? $114 million on his age 35-37, or his past his prime, years. Again, don’t know why you brought him up, so let’s just forget that and help me understand why you’re SO anti-JD, and what do you think they should have done, since you’re not saying they should have signed Rendon. Because we will be very lucky to get 2 good years out of Donaldson. He's not going to age well. IMO. I hope and pray that I'm wrong, because this effectively puts an end to Riley as a Brave. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 4, 2020 22:52:34 GMT -5
I asked you why you’re against the JD deal and you brought up Rendon. What else was I to think? You brought up Rendon, I didn’t. What was your point? Rendon’s deal is 7 years and he’ll be 30 when it starts. He’s already past his prime years, technically. 4 or 5 years of Rendon’s prime, as you put it, is his age 30 to 34 years, after that it’s 3 years and $114 million remaining. So while you’ll get some good years from Rendon, at what cost? $114 million on his age 35-37, or his past his prime, years. Again, don’t know why you brought him up, so let’s just forget that and help me understand why you’re SO anti-JD, and what do you think they should have done, since you’re not saying they should have signed Rendon. Because we will be very lucky to get 2 good years out of Donaldson. He's not going to age well. IMO. I hope and pray that I'm wrong, because this effectively puts an end to Riley as a Brave. Are you basing all of that on one injury? Other than that, what are you basing your theory that he’s not gonna age well on? Also, Riley could replace Freeman, lol. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 4, 2020 23:00:52 GMT -5
Because we will be very lucky to get 2 good years out of Donaldson. He's not going to age well. IMO. I hope and pray that I'm wrong, because this effectively puts an end to Riley as a Brave. Are you basing all of that on one injury? Other than that, what are you basing your theory that he’s not gonna age well on? Also, Riley could replace Freeman, lol. Have you ever really watched the way he moves? He moves like a much older man, which indicates a lack of natural flexibility, as does his total lack of running speed. Therefore, the injuries make sense. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. Maybe I'm wrong. No, I HOPE I'm wrong. Plus, I'd like to see Riley in a Braves uniform. Now that won't happen. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 5, 2020 0:09:28 GMT -5
Also, Riley could replace Freeman, lol. That's going to be 6 years from now after Freddie gets his extension.
IF Riley is able to adjust to first base.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 5, 2020 0:10:21 GMT -5
Are you basing all of that on one injury? Other than that, what are you basing your theory that he’s not gonna age well on? Also, Riley could replace Freeman, lol. Have you ever really watched the way he moves? He moves like a much older man, which indicates a lack of natural flexibility, as does his total lack of running speed. Therefore, the injuries make sense. We caught lightning in a bottle last year. Maybe I'm wrong. No, I HOPE I'm wrong. Plus, I'd like to see Riley in a Braves uniform. Now that won't happen. I saw a big guy running gingerly to start the year and then I saw a big guy running normal for a big guy. I’m familiar with calf injuries and I know that there’s a chance it could creep up, but we have to be positive that the Braves will and have done their due diligence on this. If he agrees and he fails his physical the Braves could and should and would pull the deal; no doubt in my mind. But, since injuries aren’t predictive of anything, if he comes back clean then he should be good to go. I get your concern, I just believe that the Braves are in a position where they can’t wait for Riley to be whatever they need him to be. Their window is open now. They have to strike while they can. JD is the best available 3rd baseman, barring any rumored trades that, IMO, are more rumors than reality. So, if we want the Braves to win right now, JD is who they should get. Also, I wouldn’t necessarily say Riley is gone. He might be the platoon guy with Neck, instead of Duvall. If JD does get injured, we’ll, there’s Riley. The beauty is that the Braves control Riley for the next 6 years, and he’s cheap. If he reaches his potential and it would be foolish for the Braves not to play him, I assure you, they’ll play him. All that said, I hope you’re wrong too. :-) |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 5, 2020 0:16:21 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair to expect ANY player to reach his potential if he's only playing part time.
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