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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 2, 2020 20:55:54 GMT -5
I agree to a large extent, but it's not fair to pin 2019 solely on Camargo. He didn't play, and it hurt him. It was an unfair situation. Camargo should have been given a fair shot at an outfield job, but we had to give good ol' 1 WAR Nick that job. Personally, I think Badhaircut is overrated at this point. If we sign him and trade Riley only to watch him become an all-star somewhere else, I'm gonna be pissed, plus I'm just afraid that AA is gonna go to the Donaldson well one too many times. Like you said, it's all risky. Only time will tell. The other factor is that Camargo raked after he went to Gwinnett, they made some pretty big changes in his swing and it really helped. When he came back up to the big leagues in September he was a different hitter than he had been before going to Gwinnett. It made me question why they waited so long to start making those changes. Couldn't that stuff have been done in May or June while he was still with the big club? At any rate, he proved in 2017 and 2018 he was a good big league caliber hitter, and he showed at the end of the year in 2019 he was straightened out. For all I know he may flop and be out of the big leagues within 2-3 years, but I like the chances that's not going to be the case.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 3, 2020 9:20:54 GMT -5
Take away the #1 vs #5 starter comparison and interchange it with
#4 cleanup hitter and #7 or 8 batter. Not many teams go 8 batters deep with OPS+ guys all over 100 regardless of who plays what position in the field.
I don't know why the team accepts what they get from Dansby other than he still has growth potential, is still affordable, and they can live with that bat slotted where it's slotted. I have some faith that if they felt
it was a better option to use Camargo and/or Riley at 3rd and upgrade somewhere else be it SS or anywhere and find a cleanup hitter, then they would.
I get the trepidation regarding 4 years for JD, but I'm a little bit happy the team might be willing to spend cash instead of prospect capital to fill their perceived need. I am very wary of the JD risk, but again I don't think the money and years we are talking about are franchise crushing if it doesn't pan out in year 3 or 4. I don't think we would do it if the risk was that high.
I'm all for better options for a RH power bat, but I can't judge a JD signing not knowing what else we could realistically do, and I don't
feel playing fantasy baseball with a EA MLB 2020 trade calculator gives us real alternatives.
For me it comes down to having a little bit of faith in what the organization feels is the best thing to do. If I choose to believe at this point that AA is stupid and playing favorites with his poker buddies or whatever, I might as well just give up and become one of those miserable sot fans like we all know and love.
Anyway.. if we sign JD, I'll judge the deal based on what else someone can prove we could have done vs what happens with what we did do.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2020 9:30:33 GMT -5
I have a ton of faith in AA, just not 100% blind faith when I think there are better options. In the long run he would be right a million times more than I would be, but it doesn’t mean I don’t have a chance to sneak one in there once in awhile. Even the best GMs make mistakes, and I’ve often seen them called out by fans ahead of time. Just one example was the Jose Bautista debacle. And to be fair, I do get the lure of signing JD, it could be a great move when all is said and done. I just don’t like the size of the risk.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 3, 2020 10:58:32 GMT -5
If we do keep Badhaircut, we'll turn around and trade Riley and Camargo, probably for somebody like Robbie Ray. Riley will figure out the slider, hit .280/.420/.925 with 40 bombs and 120 RBIs. Ray will come here and lose all sense of how to pitch, while Camargo becomes one of the top 5 super utility players in baseball. All of this while Badhaircut spends more time on the IL than on the field. OK, that's my best Pit imitation............LMAO
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 3, 2020 12:32:03 GMT -5
I don't have blind faith in anything.
I am just not sure about all these better options actually being better/doable, and I am
not sure the risk is without question, too much. Plus the risk is purely monetary and doesn't
give up prospects, and I don't think the $$ risk would ruin us. I am sure we still extend Freeman
so we go into every season with a great core, while still "going for it" currently with the high reward
move today.
Anyway.. we will see.. nothing has been done yet.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2020 12:40:43 GMT -5
Where I see the money hurting us is if our young pitchers don’t blossom. We have a possible vulnerability there where we could end up needing to add veteran presents on the mound. If we knew our current pitchers in our system could cover us solidly for four years then the money isn’t an issue. And every single move or non-move is a risk, there’s just different degrees to each one. We’re going to pay JD like he’s 28 and didn’t have injury issues in 2017 and 2018.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 3, 2020 14:28:02 GMT -5
It's a shame Castellanos is not able to play 3rd base. Hell, he can't play anywhere but in the batter's box apparently. Of course if he could, he'd get more than Donaldson anyway.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2020 14:55:42 GMT -5
It's a shame Castellanos is not able to play 3rd base. Hell, he can't play anywhere but in the batter's box apparently. Of course if he could, he'd get more than Donaldson anyway. I still like him as my second choice behind trading for Marte. Castellanos has not played much in the OF so there's a chance he'll get better out there as time goes by. I'm just going by what I've read, I haven't seen him play out there, I wish I had so I would have a better idea. On one hand I imagine he would have been signed already if everybody thought he could be a serviceable defensive outfielder, but he might just be waiting like everybody else until JD makes a decision. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 3, 2020 15:22:38 GMT -5
It's a shame Castellanos is not able to play 3rd base. Hell, he can't play anywhere but in the batter's box apparently. Of course if he could, he'd get more than Donaldson anyway. I still like him as my second choice behind trading for Marte. Castellanos has not played much in the OF so there's a chance he'll get better out there as time goes by. I'm just going by what I've read, I haven't seen him play out there, I wish I had so I would have a better idea. On one hand I imagine he would have been signed already if everybody thought he could be a serviceable defensive outfielder, but he might just be waiting like everybody else until JD makes a decision. I think you're right about him waiting on Donaldson. He's probably figuring "if he gets $100, I'm getting $80". |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 3, 2020 15:44:04 GMT -5
What gets me about Donaldson, if the recent reports are true, then he was basically BSing when he said that he'd give the Braves the chance to match other teams. The Braves have gone up to a fourth year, like the Twins and Nats. Why hasn't he signed? Holding out for five? Six?
I know he holds the cards and he knows it, but if JD truly enjoyed playing for the Braves as he has said, then you think that once they hit that 4 year offer, he would have signed.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2020 15:54:30 GMT -5
What gets me about Donaldson, if the recent reports are true, then he was basically BSing when he said that he'd give the Braves the chance to match other teams. The Braves have gone up to a fourth year, like the Twins and Nats. Why hasn't he signed? Holding out for five? Six? I know he holds the cards and he knows it, but if JD truly enjoyed playing for the Braves as he has said, then you think that once they hit that 4 year offer, he would have signed. I agree with you, if the main thing was playing for the Braves he would have signed by now. These guys always say that stuff, but the money is always what matters. Some of us here have discussed this before, and some people do think each player should go for the highest dollar every time. But I find it hard to believe that the quality of his life is going to be that much different if he signs with Washington for $112M instead of $100M with us. Personally I would consider the team and the city as much as the money it if was me in that position. Who knows, maybe we just aren't close to the dollar amount the other teams are offering. I hope that's the case and he finally says eff it and signs elsewhere. |
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Post by PABraveFan on Jan 3, 2020 16:36:20 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 3, 2020 17:01:02 GMT -5
That link didn't work for me, maybe this one will:
Big time congrats, that is really awesome.
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Post by PABraveFan on Jan 3, 2020 19:31:31 GMT -5
That link didn't work for me, maybe this one will:
Big time congrats, that is really awesome.
Thanks! Dr. Svozil was also a visiting scholar at Berkeley Lab, University of California at Berkeley in the 80's. He even has his own Wikipedia page! |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 3, 2020 20:01:04 GMT -5
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