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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 7:52:52 GMT -5
Market size:
4,112,198 Atlanta Braves 2,968,806 Minnesota Twins
Current team payroll:
Braves $133,709,375 Twins $90,388,333
We're not that much bigger than they are and they have a lot more room to spend money, so it wouldn't be that humerously out of line if the signed JD.
Braves market is 10 times that according to mlb heck you can't stream a braves game in 5 states. Just based on those numbers, we are a third bigger than the Minnesota market. But WTH, some of these people are going to use boring numbers to defend the boring bean counter suits, WTH, its their money and they can plan what they want to do with it Even some large market teams like the Cubs and Red Sox are going on the cheap this off season, that is a different topic for another tread though |
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 21, 2019 8:13:11 GMT -5
Cubs and Red Sox have spent themselves into a jam with several players. A single player can only have so much impact in a sport that requires 25 (now 26) good players. When you commit half of your payroll to 2 or 3 guys, it's just unsustainable when all is said and done. The Giants and Yankees have been down that road, too. You have to keep grinding out your own players to be successful over the long haul. Big free agent contracts rarely end well. Extending young players is a much safer bet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 9:23:33 GMT -5
Cubs and Red Sox have spent themselves into a jam with several players. A single player can only have so much impact in a sport that requires 25 (now 26) good players. When you commit half of your payroll to 2 or 3 guys, it's just unsustainable when all is said and done. The Giants and Yankees have been down that road, too. You have to keep grinding out your own players to be successful over the long haul. Big free agent contracts rarely end well. Extending young players is a much safer bet. What happened with the NYY and the Dodgers is their farm continued to produce so they can extend their long term success The LAD has to be the best run team in the game, farm system produces and they have the big payroll. All they have to get is a championship, but the way they are run they seriously can threaten the Braves record of 14 division titles The Red Sox traded away some of their farm to win now, had more bad FA deals than most & now they cannot seem to afford to keep the best homegrown player they have had since Yaz, they tried to keep Betts and he turned it down. Maybe he does not really want to be there, some of RS nation will be pxssed and understandably so but their bad business decisions led to where they are now. They have failed to produce young pitching save for Eduardo Rodriguez, he will eventually have to be taken care of The Cubs, well, that run seems to be closing but they are in the central so they might be competitive The Giants, I dunno where they are going - guess its nice memories of the 3 championships The luxury tax, that will be an issue under discussion |
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Post by PABraveFan on Dec 21, 2019 10:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 21, 2019 11:32:30 GMT -5
Cubs and Red Sox have spent themselves into a jam with several players. A single player can only have so much impact in a sport that requires 25 (now 26) good players. When you commit half of your payroll to 2 or 3 guys, it's just unsustainable when all is said and done. The Giants and Yankees have been down that road, too. You have to keep grinding out your own players to be successful over the long haul. Big free agent contracts rarely end well. Extending young players is a much safer bet. What happened with the NYY and the Dodgers is their farm continued to produce so they can extend their long term success The LAD has to be the best run team in the game, farm system produces and they have the big payroll. All they have to get is a championship, but the way they are run they seriously can threaten the Braves record of 14 division titles The Red Sox traded away some of their farm to win now, had more bad FA deals than most & now they cannot seem to afford to keep the best homegrown player they have had since Yaz, they tried to keep Betts and he turned it down. Maybe he does not really want to be there, some of RS nation will be pxssed and understandably so but their bad business decisions led to where they are now. They have failed to produce young pitching save for Eduardo Rodriguez, he will eventually have to be taken care of The Cubs, well, that run seems to be closing but they are in the central so they might be competitive The Giants, I dunno where they are going - guess its nice memories of the 3 championships The luxury tax, that will be an issue under discussion The Dodgers have won one World Series in the last 37 years. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 21, 2019 11:37:39 GMT -5
Pfffffffffffttttttt. Mistake. I would have been leery of more than two years. The problem is deciding how desperate we are to get a power hitting 3rd baseman. JD may be the best option over trading for one, but in my opinion we don’t need to be so desperate. Not at all. We have many more sensible ways to add a power bat if we insist on doing so. When JD is hurt and/or in decline that power bat of his and the $80-100M we spent to get it isn’t going to look very good. |
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Post by hokiedan on Dec 21, 2019 12:02:37 GMT -5
Pfffffffffffttttttt. Mistake. I would have been leery of more than two years. The problem is deciding how desperate we are to get a power hitting 3rd baseman. JD may be the best option over trading for one, but in my opinion we don’t need to be so desperate. Not at all. We have many more sensible ways to add a power bat if we insist on doing so. When JD is hurt and/or in decline that power bat of his and the $80-100M we spent to get it isn’t going to look very good. I've really been vacillating back and forth over this. His bat sure would be nice to have even if they just get two good years out of him. I do think the consideration of the DH coming to the NL makes signing him more attractive. I definitely don't want the Braves to trade away some of their young assets for a year or two of Bryant. If they don't sign him I think they just need to go with what they've got and see what is available at the deadline...but hell, it's not my money...go ahead and sign him! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 12:03:09 GMT -5
The Dodgers have won one World Series in the last 37 years. Since the Mc Court family got out of the way, right now, to me they are the best run org in the game No WS yet for this ownership group, but that should change, too many assets in that org and a farm system that produces while they are nearly on top They have been to 2, lost to teams that were a bit better at the time but man, that is a deep organization with the productive farm system and a commitment to MLB payroll. There are other good orgs, but this is the kingpin for now As for how orgs are run, I would put the Braves as they are now in the top 10. Future is bright and yes, losing JD is not the end of the world - but sure nice to have for at least a couple more yrs maybe 3 or 4 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 12:07:42 GMT -5
Pfffffffffffttttttt. Mistake. I would have been leery of more than two years. The problem is deciding how desperate we are to get a power hitting 3rd baseman. JD may be the best option over trading for one, but in my opinion we don’t need to be so desperate. Not at all. We have many more sensible ways to add a power bat if we insist on doing so. When JD is hurt and/or in decline that power bat of his and the $80-100M we spent to get it isn’t going to look very good. You would not get him for just two yrs but hey, if you think Riley can really improve (and I think he can get much better) than go for it and let it be. Or, maybe Camargo can do what Danny Santana did with Texas last yr. I am sure that these is more that Mr Mc Guirk is allowing but like last yr AA just might not spend it all in the off season I learned that last off season, hence one way or the other I won't bitch about what decision is made our team looks good right now with or without the rain man |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 21, 2019 12:33:02 GMT -5
The Dodgers have won one World Series in the last 37 years. Since the Mc Court family got out of the way, right now, to me they are the best run org in the game No WS yet for this ownership group, but that should change, too many assets in that org and a farm system that produces while they are nearly on top They have been to 2, lost to teams that were a bit better at the time but man, that is a deep organization with the productive farm system and a commitment to MLB payroll. There are other good orgs, but this is the kingpin for now As for how orgs are run, I would put the Braves as they are now in the top 10. Future is bright and yes, losing JD is not the end of the world - but sure nice to have for at least a couple more yrs maybe 3 or 4 No World Series wins-they deserve to be booed. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 21, 2019 12:40:03 GMT -5
Pfffffffffffttttttt. Mistake. I would have been leery of more than two years. The problem is deciding how desperate we are to get a power hitting 3rd baseman. JD may be the best option over trading for one, but in my opinion we don’t need to be so desperate. Not at all. We have many more sensible ways to add a power bat if we insist on doing so. When JD is hurt and/or in decline that power bat of his and the $80-100M we spent to get it isn’t going to look very good. You would not get him for just two yrs but hey, if you think Riley can really improve (and I think he can get much better) than go for it and let it be. Or, maybe Camargo can do what Danny Santana did with Texas last yr. I am sure that these is more that Mr Mc Guirk is allowing but like last yr AA just might not spend it all in the off season I learned that last off season, hence one way or the other I won't bitch about what decision is made our team looks good right now with or without the rain man Camargo had a great year in 2018 when he played every day and he got his bat straightened out big time at the end of this year after they made some adjustments with him at Gwinnett. Between him and Riley I would count on at least one stepping up and use that $80-100M some other way. If JD starts struggling to hit the fastball, which is a common regression as they age, being the DH isn’t going to help much. Goldschmidt had an alarming issue with bat speed and the fastball this year. It’s too much money and years to risk on an aging player, no matter how good he looked this year. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 21, 2019 12:44:32 GMT -5
The bottom line is we’ve stuck by saving the prospects and playing the good young cost controlled players the entire rebuild, and we should keep doing that. It makes me wonder if AA is willing to change the philosophy now because JD is a buddy, or if he thinks we’re just this desperate for a power hitting third baseman. JD was one of the best players in baseball for a lot of years so I get being tempted by that, but this is a giant risk that could really blow up in our face. I guess If it does we still have Riley and Camargo to fall back in (unless they get traded), but we’re still out a crippling amount of money. Especially with needing to extend Fred.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 21, 2019 13:00:42 GMT -5
I’m not totally opposed to finally moving some prospects and young major league ready players, but it has to be the right scenario. I would prefer that over taking this huge risk.
If we sign JD what do we do with Riley and Camargo? Hang onto them in case we need them? Let them rot and further decrease their value?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 16:14:06 GMT -5
The bottom line is we’ve stuck by saving the prospects and playing the good young cost controlled players the entire rebuild, and we should keep doing that. It makes me wonder if AA is willing to change the philosophy now because JD is a buddy, or if he thinks we’re just this desperate for a power hitting third baseman. JD was one of the best players in baseball for a lot of years so I get being tempted by that, but this is a giant risk that could really blow up in our face. I guess If it does we still have Riley and Camargo to fall back in (unless they get traded), but we’re still out a crippling amount of money. Especially with needing to extend Fred. I cannot disagree with the points you have made in the last two post, its how you look at it We all got attached to JD last yr, and what AA (and our fan base myself included) is tempted by is his ability and past performance when healthy, its not easy to walk away from a guy after a great year. And he did help Freddie and overall the lineup as a whole being around On the other hand, we all know he is older and expensive so keeping Austin and Johan and seeing if they improve makes sense too And there are guys who will need to be extended. And I cannot bitch about the 13th ranked payroll (at this time). We stay in the mid teens, top 15 we cannot complain, they have done some stuff this off season Let the Phillies spend Phoolish money, what do they have to show for it |
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Post by PABraveFan on Dec 21, 2019 16:16:03 GMT -5
My gut feeling is that JD is patiently waiting on the Braves to construct an offer that he can accept given the offers on the table. I think the Braves will come up with a creative offer good enough to sign him but who knows at this point.
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