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Post by Cheaters2 on Dec 1, 2019 1:12:26 GMT -5
I read an article today about if the braves go big on a SP that they could maybe then go cheap on a 3B instead of giving Carmago a shot. And it seems AA said Riley would be at AAA. The Article gave 3 names the braves could go cheap on Frazier whom I do not want at all. Ex Pirate Kang who was pretty good till last yr. But he needs to quit drinking... And Rony Healy and I kinda like the Healy Idea. Would you guys be OK with giving a 28yr old who has some pop a shot... He would take a short term contract so he wouldn't be in Rileys way and he would give us some RH power off the bench.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 1, 2019 1:15:01 GMT -5
I read an article today about if the braves go big on a SP that they could maybe then go cheap on a 3B instead of giving Carmago a shot. And it seems AA said Riley would be at AAA. The Article gave 3 names the braves could go cheap on Frazier whom I do not want at all. Ex Pirate Kang who was pretty good till last yr. But he needs to quit drinking... And Rony Healy and I kinda like the Healy Idea. Would you guys be OK with giving a 28yr old who has some pop a shot... He would take a short term contract so he wouldn't be in Rileys way and he would give us some RH power off the bench. I don't see the Braves getting any of those guys. I heard AA himself say that he doesn't have a problem with having Riley and Camargo fight it out in ST. I couldn't see him signing any one of those guys when he can just save that money and have those two duke it out. |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Dec 1, 2019 1:18:41 GMT -5
I like Marte a lot and have for many years, but a few facts are that he is 31 years old now, and he's been a 3.0 to 4.5 WAR player for many years. That's really solid, but that's not an elite player. At his age and only two years left on his contract, he's not going to draw top prospects in trade from any team. I've been saying for years I'd rather have 5-6 guys on my team that were 2-4 WAR players than two 6+ WAR players and a bunch of 1-2 WAR players. So I think Marte is a great player to have on your team. But as good as he's been he's not elite and he's past that magical age now of 30. I think it will take some decent mid level prospects, but not anything the likes of Waters. I think for the right deal, I would love to have Marte in LF for the next 2 years. Braves could trade Inciarte, and in short order, the Braves could have an outfield of Marte/Pache/Acuna. That's super elite and very awesome. You couple that with either JD or Moose; look out! Cool thing is that Marte doesn't make very much money, so, if they were to trade for him and sign Moose, along with trading Inciarte, they might have the cash to get MadBum. I would really like the Braves chances in the division and in the playoffs. what if everyone is right about the braves only having about 25-30 mil left to spend. If that is the case no way we can sign JD and anyone else. If we trade for Marte and sign moose that means no SP. If the playoffs showed us anything it's all about pitching. So we need to spend that 25 mil on getting the best SP we can get. And let Camargo have 3B. |
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 1, 2019 2:46:12 GMT -5
A bunch of teams have caught on that the way to have continued success over the years is to dump overpaid aging vets and hoard prospects. If only half turn out to be good major league ballplayers, then it's much wiser to stockpile them and have 10 good prospects instead of 3-4. As the long term contracts are going away to guys at 30 years of age, more and more teams are going to jump on this philosophy. Having a couple of superstars and then a bunch of mediocre players at best doesn't win it all, it's too much of a team sport. You gotta have a good solid overall team. Stealing signs helps, too. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 1, 2019 5:12:15 GMT -5
I think for the right deal, I would love to have Marte in LF for the next 2 years. Braves could trade Inciarte, and in short order, the Braves could have an outfield of Marte/Pache/Acuna. That's super elite and very awesome. You couple that with either JD or Moose; look out! Cool thing is that Marte doesn't make very much money, so, if they were to trade for him and sign Moose, along with trading Inciarte, they might have the cash to get MadBum. I would really like the Braves chances in the division and in the playoffs. what if everyone is right about the braves only having about 25-30 mil left to spend. If that is the case no way we can sign JD and anyone else. If we trade for Marte and sign moose that means no SP. If the playoffs showed us anything it's all about pitching. So we need to spend that 25 mil on getting the best SP we can get. And let Camargo have 3B. If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas? In other words, why should we taken for certain the water cooler talk of people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about? It could be 25-30, it could be 5-10, it could be 30-40. Nobody knows except for the Braves FO, and they aren't talking. But, to go ahead and offer my opinion to your question. There is a big gap in pricing on FA pitchers. There's Cole and Strasburg, who are gonna make $30+, and then there is everyone else who are gonna make under $20. There are no pitchers who are gonna make $25. So, if the Braves are gonna get "the best SP they can get" they're gonna spend under $20, or trade for one who is, more than likely, making under $20. |
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Post by PABraveFan on Dec 1, 2019 9:09:53 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 1, 2019 10:21:12 GMT -5
Can't see that happening. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 1, 2019 11:58:00 GMT -5
That’s insanely stupid to me. Are we better off with: A) Chapman and Camargo on the team Or B) Riley, Waters, Camargo and Muller That’s a no brainer for me. |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Dec 1, 2019 13:34:20 GMT -5
what if everyone is right about the braves only having about 25-30 mil left to spend. If that is the case no way we can sign JD and anyone else. If we trade for Marte and sign moose that means no SP. If the playoffs showed us anything it's all about pitching. So we need to spend that 25 mil on getting the best SP we can get. And let Camargo have 3B. If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas? In other words, why should we taken for certain the water cooler talk of people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about? It could be 25-30, it could be 5-10, it could be 30-40. Nobody knows except for the Braves FO, and they aren't talking. But, to go ahead and offer my opinion to your question. There is a big gap in pricing on FA pitchers. There's Cole and Strasburg, who are gonna make $30+, and then there is everyone else who are gonna make under $20. There are no pitchers who are gonna make $25. So, if the Braves are gonna get "the best SP they can get" they're gonna spend under $20, or trade for one who is, more than likely, making under $20. they are now predicting wheeler to get 20+ but it looks like MadBum would be around 18 so that's a chance but even at 18 if the 25 is right that just leaves 7 for 3B |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 1, 2019 14:02:56 GMT -5
If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas? In other words, why should we taken for certain the water cooler talk of people who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about? It could be 25-30, it could be 5-10, it could be 30-40. Nobody knows except for the Braves FO, and they aren't talking. But, to go ahead and offer my opinion to your question. There is a big gap in pricing on FA pitchers. There's Cole and Strasburg, who are gonna make $30+, and then there is everyone else who are gonna make under $20. There are no pitchers who are gonna make $25. So, if the Braves are gonna get "the best SP they can get" they're gonna spend under $20, or trade for one who is, more than likely, making under $20. they are now predicting wheeler to get 20+ but it looks like MadBum would be around 18 so that's a chance but even at 18 if the 25 is right that just leaves 7 for 3B Whichever team pays him $20+ is stupid. He’s not a $20+ pitcher. He’s not a TOR starter. |
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 1, 2019 15:25:36 GMT -5
That’s insanely stupid to me. Are we better off with: A) Chapman and Camargo on the team Or B) Riley, Waters, Camargo and Muller That’s a no brainer for me. That site is nothing but some kids with a web address to begin with. It's a total waste of time to read it. |
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Post by mauibravefan on Dec 1, 2019 16:05:38 GMT -5
That’s insanely stupid to me. Are we better off with: A) Chapman and Camargo on the team Or B) Riley, Waters, Camargo and Muller That’s a no brainer for me. That site is nothing but some kids with a web address to begin with. It's a total waste of time to read it. Unlike the trade ideas here |
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Post by mauibravefan on Dec 1, 2019 23:25:43 GMT -5
From Diamond Digest "But what’s the market for Andujar? A soon-to-be 25-year-old with poor plate discipline, a rather low hard-hit rate (tied for 88th out of 140 qualifiers in 2018), and a lack of defensive ability to this point.
Many have looked at teams like the Atlanta Braves or the “way too early” offseason champion Los Angeles Angels as potential suitors for Andujar. Yet that doesn’t add up with the way their teams are currently constructed.
The Braves have Johan Camargo, a budding star in his own right, who is just one year removed from slashing .272/.349/.457 and defensive metrics that likely would’ve awarded him with a Gold Glove if he had a comparable volume to winner Nolan Arenado."
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 1, 2019 23:34:56 GMT -5
From Diamond Digest "But what’s the market for Andujar? A soon-to-be 25-year-old with poor plate discipline, a rather low hard-hit rate (tied for 88th out of 140 qualifiers in 2018), and a lack of defensive ability to this point. Many have looked at teams like the Atlanta Braves or the “way too early” offseason champion Los Angeles Angels as potential suitors for Andujar. Yet that doesn’t add up with the way their teams are currently constructed. The Braves have Johan Camargo, a budding star in his own right, who is just one year removed from slashing .272/.349/.457 and defensive metrics that likely would’ve awarded him with a Gold Glove if he had a comparable volume to winner Nolan Arenado."Yeah, but, well, you know, we can't trust him at 3B again! |
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Post by mauibravefan on Dec 2, 2019 0:21:11 GMT -5
From Diamond Digest "But what’s the market for Andujar? A soon-to-be 25-year-old with poor plate discipline, a rather low hard-hit rate (tied for 88th out of 140 qualifiers in 2018), and a lack of defensive ability to this point. Many have looked at teams like the Atlanta Braves or the “way too early” offseason champion Los Angeles Angels as potential suitors for Andujar. Yet that doesn’t add up with the way their teams are currently constructed. The Braves have Johan Camargo, a budding star in his own right, who is just one year removed from slashing .272/.349/.457 and defensive metrics that likely would’ve awarded him with a Gold Glove if he had a comparable volume to winner Nolan Arenado."Yeah, but, well, you know, we can't trust him at 3B again! Of course not ,wouldn't suggest such a nonsensical concept |
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