Cheaters2
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 27, 2019 23:51:03 GMT -5
Isn't it really splitting hairs between Ozuna and Castellanos? They're essentially the same player. The only major difference between the two is that MLBTR has Castellanos getting 5-years, and Ozuna getting 3-years. what scares me with Castellanos is we would try and move him back to 3B |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 28, 2019 1:15:10 GMT -5
Didn’t you say something about cost being important? How much is Swanson making? Sure but come on there has to be a balance between cost and actual performance, and the performance level difference is pretty drastic. We've thrown out there the idea of signing Rendon for eleventy billion dollars, Ozuna or Castellanos for $15M/yr for 3 or 4 years, Moustakas for a sizeable amount for several years (not sure the exact expectations), Bumgarner.....so is $10M a lot for one year for a guy who has proven to be a whole lot better than our SS? Don't we want to upgrade if it's sensible, like we upgraded at 3B last year? We had a 3B who in one year (2018) equaled the career WAR of our current SS who has played three full seasons in the big leagues, and yet we upgraded over THAT guy with a $23M one year deal but wouldn't upgrade over the SS now for $10M??? Don't we have enough money to play with that $10M is chicken feed in order to get a lot better at one of our positions? Don't mind me, I'm just entertaining myself, I know it's NEVER going to happen. We can take away his Dansby Swanson when we pry him from Snit's cold, dead fingers.
If it was up to me I'd sign Villar and try to extend him a few years and trade Dansby for bullpen arms.
I think Dansby's is making $3.33M, so it's not like he's one of these half million to $1.5M guys.
I don't disagree. I just think it's apparent that the Braves are in the Swanson business...unless it's for a bigger name, and Villar doesn't qualify as a bigger name. I'm talking beyond the numbers here. If they're willing to make Camargo a SUPER-UTILITY MAN instead of starting him over Swanson, after the season he put up, then the Braves certainly aren't going to do it for Villar. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 28, 2019 1:16:04 GMT -5
Isn't it really splitting hairs between Ozuna and Castellanos? They're essentially the same player. The only major difference between the two is that MLBTR has Castellanos getting 5-years, and Ozuna getting 3-years. what scares me with Castellanos is we would try and move him back to 3B I don't think any team would do that. A person would have to think the Braves are at a galactic level of stupid to think they would entertain that idea. He's atrocious at 3rd. I think he'll end up signing with an AL team and spend the majority of his time DHing. If he does go to an NL team, I suspect it'd be the Padres. |
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 28, 2019 9:27:54 GMT -5
I would think the White Sox would claim Villar, they could use a free 2B upgrade, and they're clearly trying to hit the upswing of their rebuild.
Shame we don't have an ideal fit, with us relatively secure at 2B and SS.
I get the Swanson talk, but he brings a lot of intangible positives to our team. I think trading him would have some unintended blowback. I think Dansbys defense has been fantastic the last 2 seasons, I'm surprised the saber stats don't bear that out.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 28, 2019 9:41:41 GMT -5
I would think the White Sox would claim Villar, they could use a free 2B upgrade, and they're clearly trying to hit the upswing of their rebuild. Shame we don't have an ideal fit, with us relatively secure at 2B and SS. I get the Swanson talk, but he brings a lot of intangible positives to our team. I think trading him would have some unintended blowback. I think Dansbys defense has been fantastic the last 2 seasons, I'm surprised the saber stats don't bear that out. I thought Dansby was great defensively last year, the defensive stats showed that, and I thought he was average this year with the glove. But the stats show this was his worst year defensively, which I don’t think was true, he just wasn’t nearly as good as last year in my opinion. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 28, 2019 9:47:14 GMT -5
Sure but come on there has to be a balance between cost and actual performance, and the performance level difference is pretty drastic. We've thrown out there the idea of signing Rendon for eleventy billion dollars, Ozuna or Castellanos for $15M/yr for 3 or 4 years, Moustakas for a sizeable amount for several years (not sure the exact expectations), Bumgarner.....so is $10M a lot for one year for a guy who has proven to be a whole lot better than our SS? Don't we want to upgrade if it's sensible, like we upgraded at 3B last year? We had a 3B who in one year (2018) equaled the career WAR of our current SS who has played three full seasons in the big leagues, and yet we upgraded over THAT guy with a $23M one year deal but wouldn't upgrade over the SS now for $10M??? Don't we have enough money to play with that $10M is chicken feed in order to get a lot better at one of our positions? Don't mind me, I'm just entertaining myself, I know it's NEVER going to happen. We can take away his Dansby Swanson when we pry him from Snit's cold, dead fingers.
If it was up to me I'd sign Villar and try to extend him a few years and trade Dansby for bullpen arms.
I think Dansby's is making $3.33M, so it's not like he's one of these half million to $1.5M guys.
I don't disagree. I just think it's apparent that the Braves are in the Swanson business...unless it's for a bigger name, and Villar doesn't qualify as a bigger name. I'm talking beyond the numbers here. If they're willing to make Camargo a SUPER-UTILITY MAN instead of starting him over Swanson, after the season he put up, then the Braves certainly aren't going to do it for Villar. I don’t see how we can say Villar isn’t a bigger name. If we look at the numbers for their careers he blows Dansby away, especially with the bat and the stolen bases. Are you talking about marketing wise? Is that what we want to build our team on? How many 1.3 WAR seasons are acceptable from Dansby? We’ve basically seen three full ones so far. Is that ok though as long as the casual fans keep buying his jerseys and wanting his autograph? |
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 28, 2019 13:19:50 GMT -5
Happy Thanksgiving to all you folks!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 28, 2019 17:51:15 GMT -5
Happy Thanksgiving to all you folks! Same to ya you turkey! |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 28, 2019 18:25:56 GMT -5
I'm in a turkey coma.
This 8.9 % beer has nothing to do with it.
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Post by PABraveFan on Nov 29, 2019 14:01:17 GMT -5
The Mets are still paying a player who left in 2000. The Braves have one of their own. www.ledger-enquirer.com/sports/mlb/atlanta-braves/article213840114.html“Sutter was only paid about $750,000 per year while under the Braves’ control,” Lewis wrote. “For the thirty years after he retired — 30!!! — the Braves agreed to pay him no less than $1.12 million per year, and potentially more if interest rates spiked above a negotiated floor of 12.3 percent. [They haven’t.] That ends in 2021, and it’s only 2018, so Bruce Sutter, at some point this year, received or will receive a check for $1.12 million.” "Those payments of $750,000 during his playing career and the $1.12 million that followed are only interest payments, Lewis points out. That means in 2022, the Braves still owe Sutter the $9.1 million that he deferred." |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 30, 2019 14:02:50 GMT -5
If we're not going to use Camargo, how about trading him or Ender in a deal for Starling Marte? Marte has two years left at $24M total and an option year after that with a club buyout option of $1M.
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Post by hokiedan on Nov 30, 2019 14:16:35 GMT -5
I'd rather have Marte over Ozuna
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 30, 2019 15:08:16 GMT -5
I'd rather have Marte over Ozuna Yeah, and it's not even close. Marte is a perfect fit for the Braves. We could even give up Waters in a trade if need be in order to acquire him. |
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Post by akod on Nov 30, 2019 15:31:09 GMT -5
I'd rather have Marte over Ozuna Yeah, and it's not even close. Marte is a perfect fit for the Braves. We could even give up Waters in a trade if need be in order to acquire him. Waters for Marte. Broken record much? |
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 30, 2019 15:32:47 GMT -5
Yeah, and it's not even close. Marte is a perfect fit for the Braves. We could even give up Waters in a trade if need be in order to acquire him. Waters for Marte. Broken record much? Waters and who else? Wilson? I doubt that would get it done. Waters, Inciarte, and Wilson, maybe? |
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