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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 23, 2019 21:10:32 GMT -5
Despite Soroka only getting the one start, the Braves could have and should have won both games Keuchel started. Their failure to hold a lead in Game One and their failure to add on even a single run in Game Four lost the series. The failure to hit with RISP in that Game Four is what burns me up the most. Win that game, as we should have, and we would have had Soroka lined up to face Anibal Sanchez in Game One of the NLCS. The offense that had carried us all year let us down when we needed it most.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 23, 2019 21:15:24 GMT -5
Despite Soroka only getting the one start, the Braves could have and should have won both games Keuchel started. Their failure to hold a lead in Game One and their failure to add on even a single run in Game Four lost the series. The failure to hit with RISP in that Game Four is what burns me up the most. Win that game, as we should have, and we would have had Soroka lined up to face Anibal Sanchez in Game One of the NLCS. The offense that had carried us all year let us down when we needed it most. There were a lot of could haves and should haves in that series. Starting your best pitcher in game one of any playoff series is just common sense, though. It's inexcusable. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 23, 2019 21:18:42 GMT -5
You must go for the win now. Now I think Folty would be a solid 4 or 5 for us but we had to use him this yr in playoffs because our GM didn't get us the ace we needed he took a chance on DK who was no better than Jamie Garcia Wrong We had to use him in game twice in the series and in game 5 because our manager is a dolt. Had we used him as we should have used him, he would have pitched 1 game and in the 1st game he pitched in the playoffs this year he was fantastic, earning us the win. |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 23, 2019 21:20:36 GMT -5
Despite Soroka only getting the one start, the Braves could have and should have won both games Keuchel started. Their failure to hold a lead in Game One and their failure to add on even a single run in Game Four lost the series. The failure to hit with RISP in that Game Four is what burns me up the most. Win that game, as we should have, and we would have had Soroka lined up to face Anibal Sanchez in Game One of the NLCS. The offense that had carried us all year let us down when we needed it most. There were a lot of could haves and should haves in that series. Starting your best pitcher in game one of any playoff series is just common sense, though. It's inexcusable. True, but doesn’t guarantee that things would have ended any differently. To be honest, not sure we had the pitching to go all the way anyway. Hopefully we can continue to rectify that in the offseason. |
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 23, 2019 21:27:46 GMT -5
There were a lot of could haves and should haves in that series. Starting your best pitcher in game one of any playoff series is just common sense, though. It's inexcusable. True, but doesn’t guarantee that things would have ended any differently. To be honest, not sure we had the pitching to go all the way anyway. Hopefully we can continue to rectify that in the offseason. Well, of course there are no guarantees and I do tend to agree that we probably didn't have the pitching to go all the way, but we'll never know because Snitker is a moron. Win that series and who knows? We handled the gnats all year, and Houston didn't look particularly impressive, so anything could have happened. |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 23, 2019 21:34:31 GMT -5
That’s the thing though. Had the Braves won those two games like they should have, then Snit’s a genius, right? It’s a pretty thin line between moron and genius, I guess. Braves didn’t get it done, plain and simple. Let’s hope the results are different in 2020.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 23, 2019 22:11:47 GMT -5
That’s the thing though. Had the Braves won those two games like they should have, then Snit’s a genius, right? It’s a pretty thin line between moron and genius, I guess. Braves didn’t get it done, plain and simple. Let’s hope the results are different in 2020. Why would Snitker have been a genius if we had won those games? |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 23, 2019 22:18:21 GMT -5
You must go for the win now. Now I think Folty would be a solid 4 or 5 for us but we had to use him this yr in playoffs because our GM didn't get us the ace we needed he took a chance on DK who was no better than Jamie Garcia Wrong We had to use him in game twice in the series and in game 5 because our manager is a dolt. Had we used him as we should have used him, he would have pitched 1 game and in the 1st game he pitched in the playoffs this year he was fantastic, earning us the win. I never expected Snit to pitch Soroka in game 1. I was expecting... Keuchel Soroka Folty Keuchel/Fried Keuchel/Soroka I could have lived with that. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 23, 2019 22:19:10 GMT -5
That’s the thing though. Had the Braves won those two games like they should have, then Snit’s a genius, right? It’s a pretty thin line between moron and genius, I guess. Braves didn’t get it done, plain and simple. Let’s hope the results are different in 2020. You don’t get kudos for winning games you should have won. |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 23, 2019 22:29:48 GMT -5
That’s the thing though. Had the Braves won those two games like they should have, then Snit’s a genius, right? It’s a pretty thin line between moron and genius, I guess. Braves didn’t get it done, plain and simple. Let’s hope the results are different in 2020. Why would Snitker have been a genius if we had won those games? Because it was a gutsy move going with the veteran over the phenom in those games. It didn’t work so he’s a dolt, naturally. But had it worked out, it’s nothing but dumb luck, I guess. I get it. People here think Snit is nothing more than a cheerleader, but again, had the players made the plays they should have, then would this even be an issue? No. It’s kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don’t. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 23, 2019 22:37:08 GMT -5
Why would Snitker have been a genius if we had won those games? Because it was a gutsy move going with the veteran over the phenom in those games. It didn’t work so he’s a dolt, naturally. But had it worked out, it’s nothing but dumb luck, I guess. I get it. People here think Snit is nothing more than a cheerleader, but again, had the players made the plays they should have, then would this even be an issue? No. It’s kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I wouldn’t classify starting the playoff-experienced veteran over the rookie phenom as gutsy. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 24, 2019 4:49:37 GMT -5
Why would Snitker have been a genius if we had won those games? Because it was a gutsy move going with the veteran over the phenom in those games. It didn’t work so he’s a dolt, naturally. But had it worked out, it’s nothing but dumb luck, I guess. I get it. People here think Snit is nothing more than a cheerleader, but again, had the players made the plays they should have, then would this even be an issue? No. It’s kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don’t. There’s a lot to be said about putting the odds in your favor as often as you can. Having a plan where Soroka only started once is not doing that. I agree with Nightman, I posted the same thing the other day. The real tactical mistake was planning on relying on Folty twice and Soroka only once. Folty was on a roll but much more susceptible to having a blow up game and those are killers in a short playoff series. I don’t think Snitker is a moron, even though I’ve called him that in the heat of battle. I do think he makes moronic decisions at times, but overall he’s just a guy with less than average ability to make good tactical decisions. |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 24, 2019 7:00:19 GMT -5
Because it was a gutsy move going with the veteran over the phenom in those games. It didn’t work so he’s a dolt, naturally. But had it worked out, it’s nothing but dumb luck, I guess. I get it. People here think Snit is nothing more than a cheerleader, but again, had the players made the plays they should have, then would this even be an issue? No. It’s kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don’t. There’s a lot to be said about putting the odds in your favor as often as you can. Having a plan where Soroka only started once is not doing that. I agree with Nightman, I posted the same thing the other day. The real tactical mistake was planning on relying on Folty twice and Soroka only once. Folty was on a roll but much more susceptible to having a blow up game and those are killers in a short playoff series. I don’t think Snitker is a moron, even though I’ve called him that in the heat of battle. I do think he makes moronic decisions at times, but overall he’s just a guy with less than average ability to make good tactical decisions. That’s the thing. I think he was trying to put the odds in their favor by setting the rotation the way he did. Even after a disappointing loss in game one, it was all playing out as planned. Folty pitched a masterpiece in game two, Soroka and his excellent road splits helped them get a 2-1 lead. And the series was there for the taking had we not folded late with RISP in Game Four. I get that people would have loved to see Soroka rather than Folty in Game Five, but that game should never have happened. Snit is not the best strategist, but I think injuries to Freeman and Martin, poor bullpen pitching and shoddy hitting with RISP was the real reason we lost the series. |
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Post by akod on Nov 24, 2019 8:21:14 GMT -5
Soroka could be the next Sonny Gray. He may have a down year, might have a string of injuries. When someone is rolling like he was all year no matter the age then you start him twice.
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Post by bravter on Nov 24, 2019 8:24:47 GMT -5
Because it was a gutsy move going with the veteran over the phenom in those games. It didn’t work so he’s a dolt, naturally. But had it worked out, it’s nothing but dumb luck, I guess. I get it. People here think Snit is nothing more than a cheerleader, but again, had the players made the plays they should have, then would this even be an issue? No. It’s kind of a damned if you do and damned if you don’t. There’s a lot to be said about putting the odds in your favor as often as you can. Having a plan where Soroka only started once is not doing that. I agree with Nightman, I posted the same thing the other day. The real tactical mistake was planning on relying on Folty twice and Soroka only once. Folty was on a roll but much more susceptible to having a blow up game and those are killers in a short playoff series. I don’t think Snitker is a moron, even though I’ve called him that in the heat of battle. I do think he makes moronic decisions at times, but overall he’s just a guy with less than average ability to make good tactical decisions. Well I think this image tells why Snitker's judgment was clouded to use Soroka more than once in the Divisional Series and why Neck = choker in the post season.  My new off-season avatar. |
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