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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 22, 2019 19:29:59 GMT -5
Can’t put that all on Folty. If Freeman doesn’t boot that ball, he gets out with 1 run and who knows how things go? You actually make my point. He collapsed, because that's what he does. Like he did in game 2 of the series against the Cardinals.
Our whole season was riding on that game and we all knew it going into that game.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 22, 2019 19:32:22 GMT -5
The prospects it would take are not expendables.. well AA said no prospect is off limits which means all are expendable we are so deep in our farm and no player stands out that much. We could trade any 2of Wilson, Touki, Wright, Muller, Davidson and Newk and not miss a beat. By 2022 odds are only 2 of these guys will be on 26. And none of these guys have shown they are can't miss... We have 2 minor league catchers only 1 is needed so 1 is expendable. While I hope we have an OF of Waters Pache and Acuna next yr. We can afford to trade either waters or Pache. If it makes us better now. The time to win is now. But I am all for keeping them all and signing Moose to a cheap 2yr deal. I can't understand why people are wanting to pay Donaldson 3/75 and not Moose 2/25 there isn't that big a difference in the 2 |
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 22, 2019 20:46:17 GMT -5
You actually make my point. He collapsed, because that's what he does. Like he did in game 2 of the series against the Cardinals.
Our whole season was riding on that game and we all knew it going into that game.
Look man, you think he's good. I don't. He's like 5 WAR over 6 years. He never builds on anything. It's always something with him. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 22, 2019 21:25:39 GMT -5
And in spite of all of that, the whole world pretty much knew he would bomb in that game 5 start against the Cards. I was not the least bit surprised at that. In fact, I fully expected it. He's a head case. You love Folty. That's well documented. I really don't understand why. I didn’t know that. In fact, I went into the game fairly confident that if the Braves lost it would be more due to Flaherty pitching lights out. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 22, 2019 21:28:34 GMT -5
Like he did in game 2 of the series against the Cardinals.
Our whole season was riding on that game and we all knew it going into that game.
Look man, you think he's good. I don't. He's like 5 WAR over 6 years. He never builds on anything. It's always something with him. I can see what you’re saying, but his issues really haven’t been caused by the same things. First it was mental, and in 2018 he showed that that was behind him. In 2019, it was physical. As for Game 5, he didn’t pitch well, that’s obvious, but it has been shown by many that all of that wasn’t all on him. I think there’s reason for optimism. I’m not guaranteeing that he’s an ACE, but he’s certainly a solid #3 starter, with the stuff to be a #2 starter, if he puts it all together. |
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 22, 2019 22:01:32 GMT -5
It's amazing how some guys get chance after chance, and everybody makes excuses for them. For whatever reason, Folty is one of those guys. I guess it's because he had one good year out of six. Blows my mind. I'd like for him to be a good, consistent pitcher, but he just isn't. How long do you wait on him?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 22, 2019 22:15:13 GMT -5
Like he did in game 2 of the series against the Cardinals.
Our whole season was riding on that game and we all knew it going into that game.
Look man, you think he's good. I don't. He's like 5 WAR over 6 years. He never builds on anything. It's always something with him. I never said he was "good" either. I've clearly stated he has proven at times he can be dominating, and that he has a lot of upside. I'm just not willing to give up on that, he just pitched 11 really good games in a row to finish the season and start he playoffs. So I'm not ready to throw him down the elevator shaft quite yet. Good young pitching is extremely hard to find, like a needle in a haystack, and when the potential is strong I'm willing to stick with a guy.
What option do you prefer? You want to trade him....but to you he's obviously not worth much, or you would keep him, so what is he going to bring back in a trade? Who are we going to stick in his spot?
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 22, 2019 23:14:21 GMT -5
It's amazing how some guys get chance after chance, and everybody makes excuses for them. For whatever reason, Folty is one of those guys. I guess it's because he had one good year out of six. Blows my mind. I'd like for him to be a good, consistent pitcher, but he just isn't. How long do you wait on him? Ya know why that is? Chance after chance with people making excuses? Because sometimes people look beyond a boxscore and see more than just a result. Sometimes there are reasons for results. Sometimes people have runs of bad luck.. due for a bad game. Sometimes people are dealing with injuries. There are all sorts of reasons why people choose to keep giving players chances. I looked beyond the overall results wen judging Teheran. His stats say he's good enough to be the 4th or 5th starter... but almost every game he won seemed to be a miracle and teetering on the edge of disaster because his **** 'aint good. Folty's **** is great.. at times, unhittable. I didn't "know" Folty was going to blow up that last game. What I do know is he should have been out of that 1st inning only having given up 1 run. What I also know is that it wasn't in the "cards" we would win that game. We imploded everywhere. In fact.. I don't think we loss that series in game 5. We lost that series in game 1 when Sir Derpalot decided to wait until game 3 to use our best starter, but I digress. As of now Folty is the 2nd or 3rd best starter on the team, so I will continue to think about the positives. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 23, 2019 0:24:07 GMT -5
Another factor here concerning the playoffs.....if Sargent Saggysack had started Soroka in game 1 like he should have, Keuchel would have pitched game 2, then Folty game 3. Soroka would have pitched game 4 and Keuchel game 5. As much as I do believe in Folty's potential, and as unspectacular as I saw Keuchel and his mediocre playoff performances this year, that would have been a much better way to go. Given Folty's propensity to struggle at times, we shouldn't have gone into the playoffs counting on him to come through twice. While only counting on Soroka once. But again, Freddie's error changed that first inning drastically in game 5, there's no telling what would have happened if he had made that play, like he should have.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 23, 2019 13:01:00 GMT -5
It's amazing how some guys get chance after chance, and everybody makes excuses for them. For whatever reason, Folty is one of those guys. I guess it's because he had one good year out of six. Blows my mind. I'd like for him to be a good, consistent pitcher, but he just isn't. How long do you wait on him? Because some guys have talent, but haven’t put it all together. Folty has talent, that is clear. It’s not like people were arguing that Matt Wisler should have been given chance after chance. |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 23, 2019 17:06:45 GMT -5
It's amazing how some guys get chance after chance, and everybody makes excuses for them. For whatever reason, Folty is one of those guys. I guess it's because he had one good year out of six. Blows my mind. I'd like for him to be a good, consistent pitcher, but he just isn't. How long do you wait on him? Because some guys have talent, but haven’t put it all together. Folty has talent, that is clear. It’s not like people were arguing that Matt Wisler should have been given chance after chance. you can take chances when rebuilding but when you are competing for a championship you gotta go with what's the sure thing. You must go for the win now. Now I think Folty would be a solid 4 or 5 for us but we had to use him this yr in playoffs because our GM didn't get us the ace we needed he took a chance on DK who was no better than Jamie Garcia |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 23, 2019 17:43:28 GMT -5
Because some guys have talent, but haven’t put it all together. Folty has talent, that is clear. It’s not like people were arguing that Matt Wisler should have been given chance after chance. you can take chances when rebuilding but when you are competing for a championship you gotta go with what's the sure thing. You must go for the win now. Now I think Folty would be a solid 4 or 5 for us but we had to use him this yr in playoffs because our GM didn't get us the ace we needed he took a chance on DK who was no better than Jamie Garcia Braves have an Ace. His name is Mike Soroka. |
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 23, 2019 19:49:09 GMT -5
you can take chances when rebuilding but when you are competing for a championship you gotta go with what's the sure thing. You must go for the win now. Now I think Folty would be a solid 4 or 5 for us but we had to use him this yr in playoffs because our GM didn't get us the ace we needed he took a chance on DK who was no better than Jamie Garcia Braves have an Ace. His name is Mike Soroka. And he got one whole start in the playoffs. That will forever piss me off, and has pretty much soured me on Snitker for good. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 23, 2019 20:14:30 GMT -5
Braves have an Ace. His name is Mike Soroka. And he got one whole start in the playoffs. That will forever piss me off, and has pretty much soured me on Snitker for good. That’s a fair point, and one I mentioned right away. That was a bad call. Either way, it doesn’t really address what cheater said, which was that the Braves needed an Ace, and ultimately they still do. That was his point. I’m saying they already have one, so there’s no need to spend the money or trade the prospects to go and get one. And his point about not taking chances doesn’t make sense when you look at the other teams that made the playoffs and some of the players they gave chances to this past year. Plus, Folty is past the point of getting chances. He’s a #3 starter, with room to grow. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 23, 2019 21:08:55 GMT -5
www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/11/liberty-ceo-maffei-foresees-more-offseason-spending-for-braves.html***The Braves sported a season-ending payroll of $144MM in 2019, and, as things stand now, their 2020 Opening Day number sits at roughly $106MM after accounting for forthcoming arb awards for nine players. The club will see $24.75MM in 2020 commitments to four players–Mark Melancon, Nick Markakis, Tyler Flowers, and Darren O’Day–come off of the books at the conclusion of next season. It’s unclear if the “some money” Maffei refers to may be an additional commitment that would inch Atlanta closer to last season’s season-ending figure, but it is worth noting that the club has room in its long-term outlook for a sizable addition. Given their activity this offseason and Maffei’s comments, it would seem they’re inclined to agree.*** That’s $38 million available, for you math adverse. That’s based on if the Braves expect to start the season at the payroll they ended last season on. With the bullpen additions, and prospects in the minors, it does appear the Braves have positioned themselves as a team that shouldn’t need any mid-season upgrades, so it’s possible they could go all out before the year starts.
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