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Post by keystone61 on Nov 22, 2019 5:25:01 GMT -5
Apparently I'm in the minority here, but 4 years is a pretty risky commitment to any 31-year-old catcher, especially one who has played almost 300 games the last 2 years. Not to mention the $73 million.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 22, 2019 8:24:06 GMT -5
Apparently I'm in the minority here, but 4 years is a pretty risky commitment to any 31-year-old catcher, especially one who has played almost 300 games the last 2 years. Not to mention the $73 million. I wouldn’t be worried about that with him, he’s fit and been real durable. There are guys who can do it, like Molina has. |
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Post by akod on Nov 22, 2019 10:02:47 GMT -5
If they are smart they keep McCann and let Grandal DH quite a bit. Save those knees.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 22, 2019 12:07:15 GMT -5
I can’t believe what a perfect fit Grandal was for us all these years and he never played for us. Right up to his playoff performances, I mean come on!!!
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Post by wncbravesfan on Nov 22, 2019 12:37:58 GMT -5
So, just listened to AA on MLB Radio. Here are some highlights... (Admittingly, some of these things you already know.) - Braves felt the need to sign some relievers early because they went into the off-season needing to fill 11 spots, and wanted to get some of those out of the way early. - Braves are definitely in the market for a 3rd baseman, but it's basically not the worst thing in the world to start the season with Riley and Camargo fighting for the spot. - Braves are in the market for a starting pitcher, for depth, via free agency or trade. Braves feel comfortable with some of the young pitching prospects coming up. Didn't name names. - Braves are in the market for a catcher. - Braves are comfortable with Soroka/Fried/Folty, Newk wanted a chance to start, and the Braves will give him that chance, but it's not a given that he'll get a spot. He has to earn it. - No information about payroll. That certainly doesn't sound like we are even consiedering Josh Donaldson at all.... |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 22, 2019 14:19:31 GMT -5
it wont take a lot of prospects and we have plenty that is expendable. The prospects it would take are not expendables.. well AA said no prospect is off limits which means all are expendable we are so deep in our farm and no player stands out that much. We could trade any 2of Wilson, Touki, Wright, Muller, Davidson and Newk and not miss a beat. By 2022 odds are only 2 of these guys will be on 26. And none of these guys have shown they are can't miss... We have 2 minor league catchers only 1 is needed so 1 is expendable. While I hope we have an OF of Waters Pache and Acuna next yr. We can afford to trade either waters or Pache. If it makes us better now. The time to win is now. But I am all for keeping them all and signing Moose to a cheap 2yr deal. I can't understand why people are wanting to pay Donaldson 3/75 and not Moose 2/25 there isn't that big a difference in the 2 |
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Post by akod on Nov 22, 2019 15:08:17 GMT -5
The prospects it would take are not expendables.. well AA said no prospect is off limits which means all are expendable we are so deep in our farm and no player stands out that much. We could trade any 2of Wilson, Touki, Wright, Muller, Davidson and Newk and not miss a beat. By 2022 odds are only 2 of these guys will be on 26. And none of these guys have shown they are can't miss... We have 2 minor league catchers only 1 is needed so 1 is expendable. While I hope we have an OF of Waters Pache and Acuna next yr. We can afford to trade either waters or Pache. If it makes us better now. The time to win is now. But I am all for keeping them all and signing Moose to a cheap 2yr deal. I can't understand why people are wanting to pay Donaldson 3/75 and not Moose 2/25 there isn't that big a difference in the 2 “And none of these guys have shown they are can't miss... We have 2 minor league catchers only 1 is needed so 1 is expendable.” So neither catcher is can’t miss and yet we only need one? Stop being that guy that deals in absolutes. We have one opening, we need one prospect. We have no opening at a position, a prospect at that position is expendable. It comes across as ignorant with a complete lack of foresight and an obsession with winning in the short term. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 22, 2019 15:59:51 GMT -5
well AA said no prospect is off limits which means all are expendable we are so deep in our farm and no player stands out that much. We could trade any 2of Wilson, Touki, Wright, Muller, Davidson and Newk and not miss a beat. By 2022 odds are only 2 of these guys will be on 26. And none of these guys have shown they are can't miss... We have 2 minor league catchers only 1 is needed so 1 is expendable. While I hope we have an OF of Waters Pache and Acuna next yr. We can afford to trade either waters or Pache. If it makes us better now. The time to win is now. But I am all for keeping them all and signing Moose to a cheap 2yr deal. I can't understand why people are wanting to pay Donaldson 3/75 and not Moose 2/25 there isn't that big a difference in the 2 “And none of these guys have shown they are can't miss... We have 2 minor league catchers only 1 is needed so 1 is expendable.” So neither catcher is can’t miss and yet we only need one? Stop being that guy that deals in absolutes. We have one opening, we need one prospect. We have no opening at a position, a prospect at that position is expendable. It comes across as ignorant with a complete lack of foresight and an obsession with winning in the short term. While ignoring a complete destruction of the organization 2, 3 or 4 years down the road that would take 5-10 years to recover from. We might actually be dealing with Frank Wren here. |
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 22, 2019 18:02:00 GMT -5
I'd trade Folty sooner than I'd trade any of the prospects. You can't count on him, so why does everybody pencil him into our top 3?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 22, 2019 18:35:18 GMT -5
I'd trade Folty sooner than I'd trade any of the prospects. You can't count on him, so why does everybody pencil him into our top 3? I'd say:
1) His stuff
2) His 2018 season ---> 2.85 ERA, 1.08, WHIP, .195 BAA and 9.93 K/9 innings in 31 starts
4) And this: 2.65 ERA, 1.08 WHIP, .211 BAA against in his last 10 starts of the regular season this year
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 22, 2019 19:03:40 GMT -5
And in spite of all of that, the whole world pretty much knew he would bomb in that game 5 start against the Cards. I was not the least bit surprised at that. In fact, I fully expected it. He's a head case. You love Folty. That's well documented. I really don't understand why.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 22, 2019 19:18:08 GMT -5
And in spite of all of that, the whole world pretty much knew he would bomb in that game 5 start against the Cards. I was not the least bit surprised at that. In fact, I fully expected it. He's a head case. You love Folty. That's well documented. I really don't understand why. Can’t put that all on Folty. If Freeman doesn’t boot that ball, he gets out with 1 run and who knows how things go? |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 22, 2019 19:27:29 GMT -5
And in spite of all of that, the whole world pretty much knew he would bomb in that game 5 start against the Cards. I was not the least bit surprised at that. In fact, I fully expected it. He's a head case. You love Folty. That's well documented. I really don't understand why. I've never once said I love Folty.
Folty has a lot of upside still, that's what I see, and from where I'm sitting it looks to me like you can't see that because you're blinded by your hatred for him. He drives me nuts too, but he's actually shown he can be pretty dominant in the big leagues. And nobody is asking him to be an ace.
Freddie's error didn't help him any in that last game, to put it mildly.
Justin Verlander pitched 4 rough games in the playoffs this year.
crap happens.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 22, 2019 19:27:59 GMT -5
And in spite of all of that, the whole world pretty much knew he would bomb in that game 5 start against the Cards. I was not the least bit surprised at that. In fact, I fully expected it. He's a head case. You love Folty. That's well documented. I really don't understand why. Can’t put that all on Folty. If Freeman doesn’t boot that ball, he gets out with 1 run and who knows how things go? You actually make my point. He collapsed, because that's what he does. |
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 22, 2019 19:28:57 GMT -5
I don't hate him, I just don't trust him.......at all.
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