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Post by keystone61 on Nov 15, 2019 9:11:40 GMT -5
That's a good trade for the Braves, but I don't see Colorado doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 11:07:19 GMT -5
The problem with any platoon situation is Snitker. I just don't trust him when it comes to managing that way, and it's pretty obvious at this point that Badhaircut won't be back. If Snit can't run the same guy out there every day, he'll lose his mind. It's all he knows. We're gonna see a crapload of Neck and Riley. I guarantee it. I don't think Riley is one of his boys at this point. He probably has a boner for Moustakas though, since we're talking about him being the backup plan.
But with Nick, no, I don't trust Snitker at all. I can envision Snitker being 100 years old, Nick at 70 years old, and Snit still being our manager and Nick still getting 600 ABs per year as one of our outfielders. So, who would you all like managing the team? Bobby Valentine or Bryan Price? Or, a career loser like Jim Riggleman? I can't bitch about the Braves forking over some bucks to get the pen better, for sure Will Smith is better than what we had - maybe its good bye shaky Lucky Luke, he is an adventure out there They get Mad Bum and Will that is a great off season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 11:09:52 GMT -5
As for the OF, the homegrown OF of Acuna, Pache and Waters just might be worth waiting for - should be by 2021 even
Even if its another yr of mix and match with Ender, Nick, Duvall and sometimes Camargo
Got to hope that Riley is not the next Brad Kommisk, sure he will be better than that in spite of how he slumped late
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Post by akod on Nov 15, 2019 13:04:09 GMT -5
I certainly feel the young guys are the way to go. Liability and financial flexibility are key to sustained success. We are jaded because we pull for a team that won 14 straight division titles and only 1 World Series. Some have even said they don’t care about getting to the playoffs they care about winning it all.
What if we had signed Pollack and Kimbrel? Traded for Haniger and Realmuto?
Let’s say we make all those moves and win the offseason according to most of you little league coaches. We don’t even make the playoffs and don’t have Soroka, Riley, and whatever package Haniger would cost. We would have set our ceiling.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 15, 2019 13:38:07 GMT -5
I certainly feel the young guys are the way to go. Liability and financial flexibility are key to sustained success. We are jaded because we pull for a team that won 14 straight division titles and only 1 World Series. Some have even said they don’t care about getting to the playoffs they care about winning it all. What if we had signed Pollack and Kimbrel? Traded for Haniger and Realmuto? Let’s say we make all those moves and win the offseason according to most of you little league coaches. We don’t even make the playoffs and don’t have Soroka, Riley, and whatever package Haniger would cost. We would have set our ceiling. But dude, just imagine how awesome we'd be if we traded Pache, Waters and Anderson for Scherzer!
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 15, 2019 13:38:58 GMT -5
I certainly feel the young guys are the way to go. Liability and financial flexibility are key to sustained success. We are jaded because we pull for a team that won 14 straight division titles and only 1 World Series. Some have even said they don’t care about getting to the playoffs they care about winning it all. What if we had signed Pollack and Kimbrel? Traded for Haniger and Realmuto? Let’s say we make all those moves and win the offseason according to most of you little league coaches. We don’t even make the playoffs and don’t have Soroka, Riley, and whatever package Haniger would cost. We would have set our ceiling. Those are good points with which I agree, but that's what makes signing Smith such a head scratcher to me. I mean, I know we need a closer and all, and he's a good one, but it goes against our MO.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Nov 15, 2019 13:47:49 GMT -5
I certainly feel the young guys are the way to go. Liability and financial flexibility are key to sustained success. We are jaded because we pull for a team that won 14 straight division titles and only 1 World Series. Some have even said they don’t care about getting to the playoffs they care about winning it all. What if we had signed Pollack and Kimbrel? Traded for Haniger and Realmuto? Let’s say we make all those moves and win the offseason according to most of you little league coaches. We don’t even make the playoffs and don’t have Soroka, Riley, and whatever package Haniger would cost. We would have set our ceiling. Those are good points with which I agree, but that's what makes signing Smith such a head scratcher to me. I mean, I know we need a closer and all, and he's a good one, but it goes against our MO. AA had a reputation for being pretty aggressive before he came to ATL. I think he has spent the last two years being a bit cautious due to the problems left behind by the Coppy regime. But now, he seems to be ready to somewhat throw caution to the win in hopes of taking us to the next level. Should be interesting ...
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 15, 2019 14:43:16 GMT -5
Those are good points with which I agree, but that's what makes signing Smith such a head scratcher to me. I mean, I know we need a closer and all, and he's a good one, but it goes against our MO. AA had a reputation for being pretty aggressive before he came to ATL. I think he has spent the last two years being a bit cautious due to the problems left behind by the Coppy regime. But now, he seems to be ready to somewhat throw caution to the win in hopes of taking us to the next level. Should be interesting ... "Throw caution to the win" a new phrase, philosophy and direction
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 15, 2019 14:49:51 GMT -5
AA had a reputation for being pretty aggressive before he came to ATL. I think he has spent the last two years being a bit cautious due to the problems left behind by the Coppy regime. But now, he seems to be ready to somewhat throw caution to the win in hopes of taking us to the next level. Should be interesting ... "Throw caution to the win" a new phrase, philosophy and direction I like it!
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Post by akod on Nov 15, 2019 19:41:47 GMT -5
I certainly feel the young guys are the way to go. Liability and financial flexibility are key to sustained success. We are jaded because we pull for a team that won 14 straight division titles and only 1 World Series. Some have even said they don’t care about getting to the playoffs they care about winning it all. What if we had signed Pollack and Kimbrel? Traded for Haniger and Realmuto? Let’s say we make all those moves and win the offseason according to most of you little league coaches. We don’t even make the playoffs and don’t have Soroka, Riley, and whatever package Haniger would cost. We would have set our ceiling. Those are good points with which I agree, but that's what makes signing Smith such a head scratcher to me. I mean, I know we need a closer and all, and he's a good one, but it goes against our MO. Agreed. I’m thinking it has to do with the lack of progression last year. Clouse and burrows not taking a step in the minors. Sobotka and Minter taking steps backwards. Muller, Wilson, Newcomb, and Touki all with potential to start. Even Weigel may be stretched out. I could see Davidson and Weigel in long relief roles next year but otherwise a lot of uncertainty as we still figure out who will be a future starter vs reliever. In other words he can use Smith, Greene, MM, O’Day, and whoever else as a solid core while we fill in early inning relievers with young guys who don’t make the rotation. Basically it’s the only area with major question marks going forward. Catching is a couple years off so more than a one year stop gap is needed. 3rd base we have options now. Outfield we have options as soon as this spring but likely middle of the year. Pitching we have every single prospect ready for MLB innings next year if they haven’t already gotten some (you could maybe argue Muller and Anderson need full years at AAA). My last point will be that Smith would have cost a haul at the deadline and AA probably realizes you can’t buy at the deadline every year without depleting your prospect depth. We are running out of Wentz, Allard, and Zimmerman types that have enough value to bring back a decent reliever at the deadline. We will have to start moving prospects that will sting a bit to let go. I imagine this wasn’t the way AA wanted to go but if this is the only corner we are backed into then so be it.
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 15, 2019 23:47:29 GMT -5
Smith is an outstanding hitter also
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 16, 2019 1:37:19 GMT -5
I actually like the Smith signing. As akod intimated in the above post, by solidifying the bullpen, it will allow the Braves to keep guys like Touki, Wilson, and Wright in the minors to work on becoming effective STARTERS. No more of this "put them in the bullpen" garbage. Leave them in the minors, and when they get called up START THEM.
Nobody is for certain exactly how much the Braves are gonna spend this year, so if this is their "big move" then we'll all be disappointed, but I feel this is just the first stage of a multi-staged plan. At least I'm optimistic that it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 10:08:46 GMT -5
I actually like the Smith signing. As akod intimated in the above post, by solidifying the bullpen, it will allow the Braves to keep guys like Touki, Wilson, and Wright in the minors to work on becoming effective STARTERS. No more of this "put them in the bullpen" garbage. Leave them in the minors, and when they get called up START THEM. Nobody is for certain exactly how much the Braves are gonna spend this year, so if this is their "big move" then we'll all be disappointed, but I feel this is just the first stage of a multi-staged plan. At least I'm optimistic that it is. I like the move, hey they went out and spent some bucks to improve the team - I cannot blame them for that Yes there is a risk with relievers, they tend to have good and bad yrs but a strong pen is necessary - it has the value of the special teams on a good football team where a bad special team can kill you in the big game And as said, it gives time to develop the younger arms- but I do see Wright getting another chance this yr hope he can be much much better I would like to see Mad Bum come here, that would be a great off season And its not like they cannot move a Shane Greene or someone else to make room to sign a vet SP. They could walk away from him if that is what it takes to sign a vet SP. Or, trade a guy like Ender who would have some use to a team though the return might not be great, but it would free what about 7 mil or so? There are other options for CF, maybe Pache might be ready Its early in the off season, this is not the final roster After these last two winters I am taking a wait and see - we got better yrs than most of us expected the last two yrs
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 16, 2019 10:35:28 GMT -5
I actually like the Smith signing. As akod intimated in the above post, by solidifying the bullpen, it will allow the Braves to keep guys like Touki, Wilson, and Wright in the minors to work on becoming effective STARTERS. No more of this "put them in the bullpen" garbage. Leave them in the minors, and when they get called up START THEM. Nobody is for certain exactly how much the Braves are gonna spend this year, so if this is their "big move" then we'll all be disappointed, but I feel this is just the first stage of a multi-staged plan. At least I'm optimistic that it is. I like the move, hey they went out and spent some bucks to improve the team - I cannot blame them for that Yes there is a risk with relievers, they tend to have good and bad yrs but a strong pen is necessary - it has the value of the special teams on a good football team where a bad special team can kill you in the big game And as said, it gives time to develop the younger arms- but I do see Wright getting another chance this yr hope he can be much much better I would like to see Mad Bum come here, that would be a great off season And its not like they cannot move a Shane Greene or someone else to make room to sign a vet SP. They could walk away from him if that is what it takes to sign a vet SP. Or, trade a guy like Ender who would have some use to a team though the return might not be great, but it would free what about 7 mil or so? There are other options for CF, maybe Pache might be ready Its early in the off season, this is not the final roster After these last two winters I am taking a wait and see - we got better yrs than most of us expected the last two yrs I say keep Greene. The guy is pretty good. A combination of Melancon/Smith/Greene/Martin/Jackson/O’Day is a solid f’n bullpen.
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Post by PABraveFan on Nov 16, 2019 10:49:40 GMT -5
I like the move, hey they went out and spent some bucks to improve the team - I cannot blame them for that Yes there is a risk with relievers, they tend to have good and bad yrs but a strong pen is necessary - it has the value of the special teams on a good football team where a bad special team can kill you in the big game And as said, it gives time to develop the younger arms- but I do see Wright getting another chance this yr hope he can be much much better I would like to see Mad Bum come here, that would be a great off season And its not like they cannot move a Shane Greene or someone else to make room to sign a vet SP. They could walk away from him if that is what it takes to sign a vet SP. Or, trade a guy like Ender who would have some use to a team though the return might not be great, but it would free what about 7 mil or so? There are other options for CF, maybe Pache might be ready Its early in the off season, this is not the final roster After these last two winters I am taking a wait and see - we got better yrs than most of us expected the last two yrs I say keep Greene. The guy is pretty good. A combination of Melancon/Smith/Greene/Martin/Jackson/O’Day is a solid f’n bullpen. A good bullpen indeed but Martin is a free agent. Probably gonna get $12-$15M for 2 years.
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