akod
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Post by akod on Nov 14, 2019 18:40:17 GMT -5
We are definitely signing Bum and trading for Posey now.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 14, 2019 19:06:16 GMT -5
Why does there have to be another deal where we get rid of Greene or Melancon? Newk back as a starter leaves us with a need for a left handed reliever and I don't think it means we don't hang onto the others as well. Maybe we're going to roll with Soroka, Folty, Fried, Newk, and a reasonably priced vet (or Bryse, Wright) and invest heavy in the pen. I'd say for money purposes--we'd be paying two relief pitchers about $28.5M in 2020. And Melancon isn't that good. According to Jon Heyman, the Braves plan to keep Melacon as the closer and use Smith as the primary set up man.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2019 19:45:26 GMT -5
We'd have to eat money to move Melancon. I agree, but it’s starting to become very clear that Melancon is one of Snitkers boys.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2019 19:47:03 GMT -5
I'd say for money purposes--we'd be paying two relief pitchers about $28.5M in 2020. And Melancon isn't that good. According to Jon Heyman, the Braves plan to keep Melacon as the closer and use Smith as the primary set up man. Well I should have known we would do something asinine like that and by we I mean Snitker. Melancon is shaky, and why would you pay a guy $13M to be a set up guy?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2019 19:51:08 GMT -5
Has it been announced yet that Soroka has been moved to the pen and will be our long relief guy? Taking over Tomlin’s job. Greene for the 6th, Smith the 7th, Luke the 8th and Melancon the 9th.
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Cheaters2
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 14, 2019 20:24:43 GMT -5
I am not a fan of war but whe. I go and look I do not see where u get your numbers Perez has a higher Dwar every yr and there Owar is not that different. And Perez has been an AS the last 6yrs he has played and won the GG 5 of them. Plus his caught stealing is better than Grandal. Also Perez is owed 29mil over next 2 seasons while Grandal will cost 40mil over those same yrs. And 11 mil would pay for 1yr of Will Smith My numbers are from Fangraphs. that's a main reason I don't like war I looked at fangraphs and the numbers were like u said however on baseball reference they are almost equal. If you look at the numbers of both in 2018 they are almost same player except for walks
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Cheaters2
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 14, 2019 20:32:51 GMT -5
I’m not anti- Camargo/Riley, not in the slightest. I just don’t think AA is incompetent.... You must not have ever spoken to cheaters, who will assure you that AA is completely incompetent, and has never made a move other than JD that wasn't a complete failure. will Smith might be the 2nd good move of AA career. It must have come from the top.
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 14, 2019 20:34:52 GMT -5
Amen
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 14, 2019 21:44:37 GMT -5
Freeman finished 8th in the MVP race and was completely left off of 11 ballots.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 14, 2019 21:49:59 GMT -5
The problem with any platoon situation is Snitker. I just don't trust him when it comes to managing that way, and it's pretty obvious at this point that Badhaircut won't be back. If Snit can't run the same guy out there every day, he'll lose his mind. It's all he knows. We're gonna see a shitload of Neck and Riley. I guarantee it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2019 21:51:25 GMT -5
Freeman finished 8th in the MVP race and was completely left off of 11 ballots. What a joke.
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 14, 2019 21:51:35 GMT -5
Freeman finished 8th in the MVP race and was completely left off of 11 ballots. Rendon should have won it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2019 21:54:55 GMT -5
The problem with any platoon situation is Snitker. I just don't trust him when it comes to managing that way, and it's pretty obvious at this point that Badhaircut won't be back. If Snit can't run the same guy out there every day, he'll lose his mind. It's all he knows. We're gonna see a crapload of Neck and Riley. I guarantee it. I don't think Riley is one of his boys at this point. He probably has a boner for Moustakas though, since we're talking about him being the backup plan.
But with Nick, no, I don't trust Snitker at all. I can envision Snitker being 100 years old, Nick at 70 years old, and Snit still being our manager and Nick still getting 600 ABs per year as one of our outfielders.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2019 21:58:19 GMT -5
Freeman finished 8th in the MVP race and was completely left off of 11 ballots. Rendon should have won it. I agree, but he got 1 first place vote and 1 second place vote.
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Post by brady2705 on Nov 15, 2019 7:23:28 GMT -5
What do folks think about trading with Colorado? Perhaps something like:
Jon Gray Trevor Story (play him at 3B)
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Drew Waters Johan Camargo One of Kyle Wright, Bryse Wilson, or Touki Touissant?
That might leave you with enough resources to go after Grandall, and then we'd really be in good shape:
1 RF R Acuna 2 2B S Albies 3 1B L Freeman 4 3B R Story 5 C_ S Grandal 6 LF S Duvall / Markakis 7 SS R Swanson 8 pitcher 9 CF L Inciarte
1 C Flowers 2 UT Culberson 3 OF Markakis / Duvall 4 IF Hecheverria (resign) 5 PH free agent?
1 R Soroka 2 R Gray 3 L Fried 4 R Folty 5 L Newcomb
1 L Smith 2 R Greene 3 R Melancon 4 R Jackson 5 TBD 6 TBD 7 TBD 8 TBD
Still leaves you with Pache to supplant Inciarte eventually, Riley to emerge in LF at some point and eventually replace Story at 3B in a few years, and enough pitching depth with Anderson, Muller, and whichever 2 guys aren't traded above.
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