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Post by wncbravesfan on Nov 13, 2019 18:58:32 GMT -5
David O'Brien@DOBrienATL #Braves' Soroka finished 6th in the NL Cy Young balloting, getting one 3rd-place votes and six 5ths (including mine). Top five were deGrom (29 of 30 1st-place votes), Ryu, Scherzer, Strasburg, Flaherty. Sixth not bad for a 21-yo rookie. I bet Soroka will win one before too long.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 19:30:11 GMT -5
Platoon him with Soroka.
ZOMG don't let Snitker hear that, he would probably do it.
Even if he heard it I'm certain he doesn't know what it means. Platoon is not a traditional word hee hee hee......
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 19:32:45 GMT -5
David O'Brien@DOBrienATL #Braves' Soroka finished 6th in the NL Cy Young balloting, getting one 3rd-place votes and six 5ths (including mine). Top five were deGrom (29 of 30 1st-place votes), Ryu, Scherzer, Strasburg, Flaherty. Sixth not bad for a 21-yo rookie. I bet Soroka will win one before too long.That is great.
But if I was the manager I'd only pitch him once in a 5 game playoff series.
Still happy for him, he's been pure gold so far.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 13, 2019 21:24:51 GMT -5
MLB.com says the Braves have Moose as a back-up plan, in case they can’t resign JD. That seems like a decent back-up.
I could see the Braves signing MadBum, forfeiting a pick, letting JD walk, getting a pick, and signing Moose to play third.
It’s not the best of scenarios, but I don’t think, combined with improvements from younger players, it’ll make the team worse off.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 13, 2019 21:28:06 GMT -5
David O'Brien@DOBrienATL #Braves' Soroka finished 6th in the NL Cy Young balloting, getting one 3rd-place votes and six 5ths (including mine). Top five were deGrom (29 of 30 1st-place votes), Ryu, Scherzer, Strasburg, Flaherty. Sixth not bad for a 21-yo rookie. I bet Soroka will win one before too long.That is great.
But if I was the manager I'd only pitch him once in a 5 game playoff series.
Still happy for him, he's been pure gold so far.
He’s the teams ace, and I’ll fight anyone who argues otherwise.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 21:30:06 GMT -5
MLB.com says the Braves have Moose as a back-up plan, in case they can’t resign JD. That seems like a decent back-up. I could see the Braves signing MadBum, forfeiting a pick, letting JD walk, getting a pick, and signing Moose to play third. It’s not the best of scenarios, but I don’t think, combined with improvements from younger players, it’ll make the team worse off. Meh, I'd prefer to count on Riley and Camargo to cover us at third base. The only thing to like about Moustakas over them is HRs, and there's a chance Riley and Camargo combined could match Moustakas there.
What's Moustakas going to get money wise? More than $10M? We've already pissed away $6M apiece on Flowers and Markakis, let's spend some money on someone who is going to make a difference.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 13, 2019 22:05:08 GMT -5
MLB.com says the Braves have Moose as a back-up plan, in case they can’t resign JD. That seems like a decent back-up. I could see the Braves signing MadBum, forfeiting a pick, letting JD walk, getting a pick, and signing Moose to play third. It’s not the best of scenarios, but I don’t think, combined with improvements from younger players, it’ll make the team worse off. Meh, I'd prefer to count on Riley and Camargo to cover us at third base. The only thing to like about Moustakas over them is HRs, and there's a chance Riley and Camargo combined could match Moustakas there.
What's Moustakas going to get money wise? More than $10M? We've already pissed away $6M apiece on Flowers and Markakis, let's spend some money on someone who is going to make a difference.
Moose is predicted to get 2-years, $20 million; no QO. I know you’re willing to roll the dice on Goat and Riley. I don’t think AA is, though.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 22:35:24 GMT -5
Meh, I'd prefer to count on Riley and Camargo to cover us at third base. The only thing to like about Moustakas over them is HRs, and there's a chance Riley and Camargo combined could match Moustakas there.
What's Moustakas going to get money wise? More than $10M? We've already pissed away $6M apiece on Flowers and Markakis, let's spend some money on someone who is going to make a difference.
Moose is predicted to get 2-years, $20 million; no QO. I know you’re willing to roll the dice on Goat and Riley. I don’t think AA is, though. "GOAT" put up a 3.7 WAR as our 3rd baseman in 2018. Moustakas has matched or bettered that exactly once in his 7 seasons in the big leagues.
Camargo clearly got his hitting straightened out at the end of last year.
Riley is a good bet to get it figured out too.
Spending $20M for Moustakas is a waste of money.
"GOAT" is a ridiculous way to refer to Camargo, you're better than that.
I've never referred to him as anything other than a very good role player, a great piece to have as your 4th or 5th best player.
A good piece to count on, with Riley as a possibility too, and spend the money more wisely.
For all the HRs he's been hitting the last few years, Moustakas still has a career wRC+ of 99 and a career OPS of .751. Yawwwwwwwwwn. Waste of $20M.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 13, 2019 23:03:02 GMT -5
I’m not anti- Camargo/Riley, not in the slightest. I just don’t think AA is incompetent, so if he thinks Moose is a better option than a platoon of those two, then I can’t help but shrug my shoulders and say, “Okay, if you say so.”
He could be wrong, he isn’t infallible. I just know that he has a team of people crunching numbers, and working with those guys on a daily basis, and all we are is a bunch of jamokes hitting keyboards. I just think he’s in a better position to make that call than we are.
Maybe it’s too trusting, but I haven’t really seen him do anything to lose that trust. At least not yet.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 23:17:35 GMT -5
I’m not anti- Camargo/Riley, not in the slightest. I just don’t think AA is incompetent, so if he thinks Moose is a better option than a platoon of those two, then I can’t help but shrug my shoulders and say, “Okay, if you say so.” He could be wrong, he isn’t infallible. I just know that he has a team of people crunching numbers, and working with those guys on a daily basis, and all we are is a bunch of jamokes hitting keyboards. I just think he’s in a better position to make that call than we are. Maybe it’s too trusting, but I haven’t really seen him do anything to lose that trust. At least not yet. I agree with you 100% there.
But I'm curious--did AA or any of his people ever refer to Camargo as GOAT? Because if not, I'm wondering where that came from......
I'm not envisioning a platoon of Riley and Camargo, but if we relied on them to cover 3rd base it could end up that way. In my mind I'm willing to say at least one will step up, if I was in charge I'd take my chances there and spend money elsewhere--I'd sit both of those guys down on the first day of spring training and say this job is wide open, whoever steps up will get the most playing time.
I feel like the organization, as well as sensible people who post here, have had a philosophy of using good young cost controlled players where we can. This a a great chance to stick with that philosophy and use the money for Grandal or some other really good piece.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 13, 2019 23:37:05 GMT -5
would you trade Kyle Wright and Duvall for Salvador Perez? He is better than Grandal and cheaper. The money saved could be the difference in signing an Ace and a closer Over the last five seasons Grandal has produced a combined total of 25 WAR. During that same period Perez has a combined WAR of 5. I would not trade Kyle Wright. He’s going to get it figured out at the big league level. Tyler Flowers has put up a cumulative WAR of 14 over the last five years. Even for someone who doesn’t buy into WAR these are hugely significant numbers. Perez used to be a good defensive catcher but that’s fading, and Grandal is possibly the best defensive catcher in the game. And right up there in hitting too—he produces on a whole different level than other catchers do. He has a 118 wRC+ over the last five seasons. And he can give you 500-600 ABs in a season. We could afford to ride him hard and put him up wet since we would just need three years out of him. Of course Snitker couldn’t stand for his boy Tyler to get 100-150 ABs. I am not a fan of war but whe. I go and look I do not see where u get your numbers Perez has a higher Dwar every yr and there Owar is not that different. And Perez has been an AS the last 6yrs he has played and won the GG 5 of them. Plus his caught stealing is better than Grandal. Also Perez is owed 29mil over next 2 seasons while Grandal will cost 40mil over those same yrs. And 11 mil would pay for 1yr of Will Smith
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 13, 2019 23:54:52 GMT -5
I’m not anti- Camargo/Riley, not in the slightest. I just don’t think AA is incompetent, so if he thinks Moose is a better option than a platoon of those two, then I can’t help but shrug my shoulders and say, “Okay, if you say so.” He could be wrong, he isn’t infallible. I just know that he has a team of people crunching numbers, and working with those guys on a daily basis, and all we are is a bunch of jamokes hitting keyboards. I just think he’s in a better position to make that call than we are. Maybe it’s too trusting, but I haven’t really seen him do anything to lose that trust. At least not yet. I agree with you 100% there.
But I'm curious--did AA or any of his people ever refer to Camargo as GOAT? Because if not, I'm wondering where that came from......
I'm not envisioning a platoon of Riley and Camargo, but if we relied on them to cover 3rd base it could end up that way. In my mind I'm willing to say at least one will step up, if I was in charge I'd take my chances there and spend money elsewhere--I'd sit both of those guys down on the first day of spring training and say this job is wide open, whoever steps up will get the most playing time.
I feel like the organization, as well as sensible people who post here, have had a philosophy of using good young cost controlled players where we can. This a a great chance to stick with that philosophy and use the money for Grandal or some other really good piece.
It actually started during the 2018 season over on TC, GOAT is actually short for CamarGOAT. It was given to him because of all his clutch hits that year. It's not a diss.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 13, 2019 23:59:44 GMT -5
I’m not anti- Camargo/Riley, not in the slightest. I just don’t think AA is incompetent, so if he thinks Moose is a better option than a platoon of those two, then I can’t help but shrug my shoulders and say, “Okay, if you say so.” He could be wrong, he isn’t infallible. I just know that he has a team of people crunching numbers, and working with those guys on a daily basis, and all we are is a bunch of jamokes hitting keyboards. I just think he’s in a better position to make that call than we are. Maybe it’s too trusting, but I haven’t really seen him do anything to lose that trust. At least not yet. I agree with you 100% there.
But I'm curious--did AA or any of his people ever refer to Camargo as GOAT? Because if not, I'm wondering where that came from......
I'm not envisioning a platoon of Riley and Camargo, but if we relied on them to cover 3rd base it could end up that way. In my mind I'm willing to say at least one will step up, if I was in charge I'd take my chances there and spend money elsewhere--I'd sit both of those guys down on the first day of spring training and say this job is wide open, whoever steps up will get the most playing time.
I feel like the organization, as well as sensible people who post here, have had a philosophy of using good young cost controlled players where we can. This a a great chance to stick with that philosophy and use the money for Grandal or some other really good piece.
I'm also on the train of thought over playing good young cost controlled players where they can. At the same time, though, there is a risk of inserting too many rookies on a team that's expected to vie for a division title, and possibly more. Rookies have ups and downs, where vets are more stable, for the most part; you know what you're gonna get. All I know is that it seems pretty clear AA isn't comfortable with playing Riley at this point. He's already gone on record as saying that resigning JD is a priority. It wouldn't be a priority if he was currently all-in on Riley. With today's rumor, it's pretty clear Riley isn't even 3rd on AA's list, and who knows where Camargo's at. Honestly, wouldn't be surprised if Camargo was traded, to be honest.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2019 0:14:05 GMT -5
I agree with you 100% there.
But I'm curious--did AA or any of his people ever refer to Camargo as GOAT? Because if not, I'm wondering where that came from......
I'm not envisioning a platoon of Riley and Camargo, but if we relied on them to cover 3rd base it could end up that way. In my mind I'm willing to say at least one will step up, if I was in charge I'd take my chances there and spend money elsewhere--I'd sit both of those guys down on the first day of spring training and say this job is wide open, whoever steps up will get the most playing time.
I feel like the organization, as well as sensible people who post here, have had a philosophy of using good young cost controlled players where we can. This a a great chance to stick with that philosophy and use the money for Grandal or some other really good piece.
I'm also on the train of thought over playing good young cost controlled players where they can. At the same time, though, there is a risk of inserting too many rookies on a team that's expected to vie for a division title, and possibly more. Rookies have ups and downs, where vets are more stable, for the most part; you know what you're gonna get. All I know is that it seems pretty clear AA isn't comfortable with playing Riley at this point. He's already gone on record as saying that resigning JD is a priority. It wouldn't be a priority if he was currently all-in on Riley. With today's rumor, it's pretty clear Riley isn't even 3rd on AA's list, and who knows where Camargo's at. Honestly, wouldn't be surprised if Camargo was traded, to be honest. Riley is the only rookie in the equation. And by not signing Moustakas I'm advocating using that money towards Grandal, who would be a true needle mover. Moustakas isn’t. I wish they would trade Camargo rather than let him rot. If they were going to let him rot they should have traded him before last season started. Now we wouldn’t get as much in return if we do it now. And he also deserves the chance to play somewhere. They’ve screwed the pooch with him. As far as rumors and things AA says, I take 100% of that with a grain of salt.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 14, 2019 0:20:44 GMT -5
Over the last five seasons Grandal has produced a combined total of 25 WAR. During that same period Perez has a combined WAR of 5. I would not trade Kyle Wright. He’s going to get it figured out at the big league level. Tyler Flowers has put up a cumulative WAR of 14 over the last five years. Even for someone who doesn’t buy into WAR these are hugely significant numbers. Perez used to be a good defensive catcher but that’s fading, and Grandal is possibly the best defensive catcher in the game. And right up there in hitting too—he produces on a whole different level than other catchers do. He has a 118 wRC+ over the last five seasons. And he can give you 500-600 ABs in a season. We could afford to ride him hard and put him up wet since we would just need three years out of him. Of course Snitker couldn’t stand for his boy Tyler to get 100-150 ABs. I am not a fan of war but whe. I go and look I do not see where u get your numbers Perez has a higher Dwar every yr and there Owar is not that different. And Perez has been an AS the last 6yrs he has played and won the GG 5 of them. Plus his caught stealing is better than Grandal. Also Perez is owed 29mil over next 2 seasons while Grandal will cost 40mil over those same yrs. And 11 mil would pay for 1yr of Will Smith My numbers are from Fangraphs.
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