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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 12, 2019 23:40:43 GMT -5
Madbum story"We were out in Arizona spring training and (I) stepped on a snake," he begins. "You can imagine what that was like. Ended up, we killed the snake, and it had apparently just ate three rabbits, and my wife was able to save one of 'em, believe it or not. That's a pretty incredible story, but it made it."
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 0:03:40 GMT -5
ERA W L SV SVO GP GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG Home 2.93 6 2 0 0 19 19 0 122.2 93 43 40 15 21 120 .213 Away 5.29 3 7 0 0 15 15 0 85.0 98 56 50 15 22 83 .286 Madbums 2019 splits Career splits:
Home 2.72 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, .284 BAA Away 3.53 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, .300 BAA
I'm still not advocating we sign him, I think it's a real risk. I can live with it we sign him and I can live with it if we don't. I'm not as desperate as it seems like a lot of people are for a TOR pitcher. We have one in Soroka, and Fried, Newcomb and Folty all have the potential to be real good too. I'd like to add one good pitcher, but I don't see the need to trade really good prospects for a TOR pitcher. Wright and Anderson still have a high upside, so I'm definitely not in panic mode.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Nov 13, 2019 1:00:29 GMT -5
ERA W L SV SVO GP GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG Home 2.93 6 2 0 0 19 19 0 122.2 93 43 40 15 21 120 .213 Away 5.29 3 7 0 0 15 15 0 85.0 98 56 50 15 22 83 .286 Madbums 2019 splits Career splits:
Home 2.72 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, .284 BAA Away 3.53 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, .300 BAA
I'm still not advocating we sign him, I think it's a real risk. I can live with it we sign him and I can live with it if we don't. I'm not as desperate as it seems like a lot of people are for a TOR pitcher. We have one in Soroka, and Fried, Newcomb and Folty all have the potential to be real good too. I'd like to add one good pitcher, but I don't see the need to trade really good prospects for a TOR pitcher. Wright and Anderson still have a high upside, so I'm definitely not in panic mode.
I know it would be great for the Braves to sign an "ACE", but those are really expensive, and honestly, typically cost prohibitive; in either cold hard cash or prospect capital. I would rather the Braves just take the stance that Soroka is the Braves "ACE", which, IMO, he is, and let the young guys pitch to their spots. Throwing in a guy like MadBum isn't going to hurt, as long as everyone accepts that he's not an "ACE", but rather a veteran pitcher who can help the young guys, be a solid team player, a leader, and go out every 5 days and pitch an average, to sometimes great, game. I'm okay with that. There's room for a player like that.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 1:40:43 GMT -5
Career splits:
Home 2.72 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, .284 BAA Away 3.53 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, .300 BAA
I'm still not advocating we sign him, I think it's a real risk. I can live with it we sign him and I can live with it if we don't. I'm not as desperate as it seems like a lot of people are for a TOR pitcher. We have one in Soroka, and Fried, Newcomb and Folty all have the potential to be real good too. I'd like to add one good pitcher, but I don't see the need to trade really good prospects for a TOR pitcher. Wright and Anderson still have a high upside, so I'm definitely not in panic mode.
I know it would be great for the Braves to sign an "ACE", but those are really expensive, and honestly, typically cost prohibitive; in either cold hard cash or prospect capital. I would rather the Braves just take the stance that Soroka is the Braves "ACE", which, IMO, he is, and let the young guys pitch to their spots. Throwing in a guy like MadBum isn't going to hurt, as long as everyone accepts that he's not an "ACE", but rather a veteran pitcher who can help the young guys, be a solid team player, a leader, and go out every 5 days and pitch an average, to sometimes great, game. I'm okay with that. There's room for a player like that. I completely agree. But I also agree with your earlier post that we can't add MadBum and Grandal and give up two picks. One is bad enough, but we're at a point where we could be legit contenders next year so you need to add a quality player or two. I'd make Grandal my priority and find a different way to add a good vet pitcher (not an ace). If we can't sign Grandal then I'd consider MadBum. But at that point we still need to address the catching in my opinion.
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Post by peteorr on Nov 13, 2019 4:57:27 GMT -5
Career splits:
Home 2.72 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, .284 BAA Away 3.53 ERA, 1.17 WHIP, .300 BAA
I'm still not advocating we sign him, I think it's a real risk. I can live with it we sign him and I can live with it if we don't. I'm not as desperate as it seems like a lot of people are for a TOR pitcher. We have one in Soroka, and Fried, Newcomb and Folty all have the potential to be real good too. I'd like to add one good pitcher, but I don't see the need to trade really good prospects for a TOR pitcher. Wright and Anderson still have a high upside, so I'm definitely not in panic mode.
I know it would be great for the Braves to sign an "ACE", but those are really expensive, and honestly, typically cost prohibitive; in either cold hard cash or prospect capital. I would rather the Braves just take the stance that Soroka is the Braves "ACE", which, IMO, he is, and let the young guys pitch to their spots. Throwing in a guy like MadBum isn't going to hurt, as long as everyone accepts that he's not an "ACE", but rather a veteran pitcher who can help the young guys, be a solid team player, a leader, and go out every 5 days and pitch an average, to sometimes great, game. I'm okay with that. There's room for a player like that. The Astros had three ace pitchers in Cole, Verlander, and Greinke. The Nationals had two ace pitchers and a third pitcher who can be considered a number one. The Red Sox had Sale and Price when they won the world series in 2018. I really don't think the Braves win a world series without a second ace. If you are saying the Braves won't get one or that you don't want one then Fried, Wright, Anderson, or someone else has to become one and I see Anderson as being the only one who has a legitimate shot. Note that among the Astros, Nationals, and Red Sox only one of those great pitchers was drafted by the team they currently played for and Strasburg was a number one pick. The Cubs had four key SP in 2016 and only one of them started their major league career with the Cubs. Do you see a trend here?
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Post by peteorr on Nov 13, 2019 4:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Nov 13, 2019 7:34:58 GMT -5
Sign Gregorius if he'll agree to play 3rd base. Sign Hamels. No QO attached to either, and reasonable cost. Does that allow us to still sign Grandal? I think we could, but we won't.
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Post by akod on Nov 13, 2019 12:05:37 GMT -5
Sign Gregorius if he'll agree to play 3rd base. Sign Hamels. No QO attached to either, and reasonable cost. Does that allow us to still sign Grandal? I think we could, but we won't. We should look at Grandal for a few reasons that have been outlined. I would also like to add that he could help keep guys like Contreras and Langeliers in the minors longer to develop. Contreras has a big arm though his feet often negate that asset and his bat did not take much of a step last year. Langeliers is special defensively and will be a major asset one day. His defense is so good it will carry him though the system quickly and his bat will not be able to keep up. This could make sure he further develops his bat especially in Rome and Florida with the DH we can save his knees a bit. His defense warrants him being in AA but what’s the rush if you have Grandal for 3 years.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 13, 2019 13:32:05 GMT -5
I’d rather sign Grandal and let JD move on. Rely on Riley/Camargo to cover 3B. would you trade Kyle Wright and Duvall for Salvador Perez? He is better than Grandal and cheaper. The money saved could be the difference in signing an Ace and a closer
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 13:41:18 GMT -5
I’d rather sign Grandal and let JD move on. Rely on Riley/Camargo to cover 3B. would you trade Kyle Wright and Duvall for Salvador Perez? He is better than Grandal and cheaper. The money saved could be the difference in signing an Ace and a closer Over the last five seasons Grandal has produced a combined total of 25 WAR. During that same period Perez has a combined WAR of 5. I would not trade Kyle Wright. He’s going to get it figured out at the big league level. Tyler Flowers has put up a cumulative WAR of 14 over the last five years. Even for someone who doesn’t buy into WAR these are hugely significant numbers. Perez used to be a good defensive catcher but that’s fading, and Grandal is possibly the best defensive catcher in the game. And right up there in hitting too—he produces on a whole different level than other catchers do. He has a 118 wRC+ over the last five seasons. And he can give you 500-600 ABs in a season. We could afford to ride him hard and put him up wet since we would just need three years out of him. Of course Snitker couldn’t stand for his boy Tyler to get 100-150 ABs.
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Post by akod on Nov 13, 2019 14:34:30 GMT -5
You guys kill me. Usually a rebuild is 5 plus years before sniffing being competitive. We traded away our team before the 2015 season. 15,16,17 we suck, 18,19 we make the playoffs and have one of the brightest futures with prospects that are on the cusp of the majors or already tasted it. Let’s spend 50 mil and see where that takes us by mid season. After all many of you would have Realmuto on this team which would have cost us the playoffs.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Nov 13, 2019 15:05:02 GMT -5
ERA W L SV SVO GP GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG Home 2.93 6 2 0 0 19 19 0 122.2 93 43 40 15 21 120 .213 Away 5.29 3 7 0 0 15 15 0 85.0 98 56 50 15 22 83 .286 Madbums 2019 splits Easy. Don't pitch him away. Duh. LOL
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 13, 2019 15:30:15 GMT -5
ERA W L SV SVO GP GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG Home 2.93 6 2 0 0 19 19 0 122.2 93 43 40 15 21 120 .213 Away 5.29 3 7 0 0 15 15 0 85.0 98 56 50 15 22 83 .286 Madbums 2019 splits Easy. Don't pitch him away. Duh. LOL Platoon him with Soroka.
ZOMG don't let Snitker hear that, he would probably do it.
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Post by wncbravesfan on Nov 13, 2019 18:42:43 GMT -5
Easy. Don't pitch him away. Duh. LOL Platoon him with Soroka.
ZOMG don't let Snitker hear that, he would probably do it.
Yes, yes, platoon. Great idea.
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 13, 2019 18:53:21 GMT -5
Easy. Don't pitch him away. Duh. LOL Platoon him with Soroka.
ZOMG don't let Snitker hear that, he would probably do it.
Even if he heard it I'm certain he doesn't know what it means. Platoon is not a traditional word
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