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Post by keystone61 on Feb 10, 2020 9:46:46 GMT -5
I'd like to have him, depending on the cost, of course. Like another poster said, there would likely have to be another deal to go with it, because the Trolley Dodgers aren't gonna want one of our outfielders. Doesn't look like a very good match there, honestly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2020 11:46:23 GMT -5
I'd like to have him, depending on the cost, of course. Like another poster said, there would likely have to be another deal to go with it, because the Trolley Dodgers aren't gonna want one of our outfielders. Doesn't look like a very good match there, honestly. Another thought is that for 2021, we should have Pache and Waters ready & they can be in our OF with Acuna, a nice low cost homegrown outfield with years under team control They can have salary space to step up and even trade for a need depending on what happens And we can keep Camargo who can be our super utility guy playing both infield and OF. That is not a bad thing. And Riley did not really embarrass himself in the field given he never played there. I assume improvement in his all around game there Going with Ender, Neck and Duvall for this yr is not a bad thing. We know Ozuna is for one year (good). Hamels is likely for one year (good) they can both rebuild their values we do have kid pitchers who should be ready. I want to see what Wright can do when he gets his second chance The LAD would want someone like Wright, Bryse Wilson or Anderson and that is not good for us If we get a rash of injuries well, that changes stuff |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Feb 10, 2020 12:48:05 GMT -5
OF seems a little crowded with Acuna, Ozuna, Inciarte, Neck, and Duvall. Acuna and Ozuna are the only locks. Ender and Duvall could be moved. Keep Neck as the 4th OF. Could be moved. Don’t know why you’d move him. Ender is a 3 WAR player, just like Joc, plus Ender plays a premium position. |
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Post by keystone61 on Feb 10, 2020 13:29:58 GMT -5
Acuna and Ozuna are the only locks. Ender and Duvall could be moved. Keep Neck as the 4th OF. Could be moved. Don’t know why you’d move him. Ender is a 3 WAR player, just like Joc, plus Ender plays a premium position. Forget this post. Forgot all about our new left fielder. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 10, 2020 14:15:31 GMT -5
Acuna and Ozuna are the only locks. Ender and Duvall could be moved. Keep Neck as the 4th OF. Could be moved. Don’t know why you’d move him. Ender is a 3 WAR player, just like Joc, plus Ender plays a premium position. Ender was a 0.9 WAR player last year and is not in our future plans with Pache and Waters on the horizon. Now is the perfect time to move Ender. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Feb 10, 2020 14:20:20 GMT -5
Could be moved. Don’t know why you’d move him. Ender is a 3 WAR player, just like Joc, plus Ender plays a premium position. Ender was a 0.9 WAR player last year and is not in our future plans with Pache and Waters on the horizon. Now is the perfect time to move Ender. He was also injured most of the year. He’s not a 0.9 WAR player. Don’t really understand the take that a guy who gets injured is now completely expendable and won’t regain his previous form. Maybe if he was 39, but not 29. Also, Ender has one year left on his deal after this year. With Ozuna being a rental, neither blocks Pache or Waters next year. Even if there comes a time that they want to trade Inciarte, now isn’t that time, and it won’t become harder to do so the closer he gets to free agency. Worst case scenario, Pache or Waters outplay Inciarte, Inciarte can’t be traded, and the Braves either eat the remainder of his paltry contract, or he’s a bench player who specializes in late inning defense....for one year. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Feb 10, 2020 14:21:05 GMT -5
Could be moved. Don’t know why you’d move him. Ender is a 3 WAR player, just like Joc, plus Ender plays a premium position. Forget this post. Forgot all about our new left fielder. Braves paid Ozuna $18 million to platoon? I didn’t read that. Got a link? |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 10, 2020 15:01:31 GMT -5
Ender was a 0.9 WAR player last year and is not in our future plans with Pache and Waters on the horizon. Now is the perfect time to move Ender. He was also injured most of the year. He’s not a 0.9 WAR player. Don’t really understand the take that a guy who gets injured is now completely expendable and won’t regain his previous form. Maybe if he was 39, but not 29. Also, Ender has one year left on his deal after this year. With Ozuna being a rental, neither blocks Pache or Waters next year. Even if there comes a time that they want to trade Inciarte, now isn’t that time, and it won’t become harder to do so the closer he gets to free agency. Worst case scenario, Pache or Waters outplay Inciarte, Inciarte can’t be traded, and the Braves either eat the remainder of his paltry contract, or he’s a bench player who specializes in late inning defense....for one year. We have a basic difference in opinion on this, but I don’t find injuries to be an excuse for lower WAR. Sure it causes a lower WAR, but the bottom line is the guy had a certain WAR, for whatever reason. Stay healthy or accept that you didn’t produce. Enders career wRC+ of 94. And most of his hits are weak little poke jobs....a hit is a hit, but it’s just ugly to me, I’d rather see a guy up there taking his hacks. At least Nick hits line drives. I’m biased, I just don’t like Enders offense and his constant yapping at umps over called strikes that are actually strikes. Even with his defense I’m not a fan of the guy. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Feb 10, 2020 15:56:10 GMT -5
I don't agree with your take on WAR when it comes to injured players. I get that the number is what it is regardless of reason, but an injury can happen to anyone.
When comparing players I assume they will both be healthy unless there is a real track record of repeated injury.
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Post by keystone61 on Feb 10, 2020 16:13:57 GMT -5
I don't agree with your take on WAR when it comes to injured players. I get that the number is what it is regardless of reason, but an injury can happen to anyone. When comparing players I assume they will both be healthy unless there is a real track record of repeated injury. Yeah, that's harsh, BUT I do agree largely about Ender. I like the guy, but his hitting is lacking. That said, if he can hit .270+ and maintain his elite defense, that works for me. Problem is, he'll bat .150 between Opening Day and the end of June. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 10, 2020 16:16:12 GMT -5
I don't agree with your take on WAR when it comes to injured players. I get that the number is what it is regardless of reason, but an injury can happen to anyone. When comparing players I assume they will both be healthy unless there is a real track record of repeated injury. I don't know if I'm the only person in the world that feels that way, I've never paid attention to what GMs think about it or say about it, but a player has an expectation for a certain production level going into a season, and if he gets hurt and it lowers the production, that's the bottom line for me. Sure it can happen to anyone, it's probably true that most injuries are freak injuries or the player couldn't do anything to prevent the injury, but it is what it is in my book, the guy was a 0.9 WAR player. I'm certainly not claiming I'm right, that's just the way I feel.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 10, 2020 16:23:26 GMT -5
I don't agree with your take on WAR when it comes to injured players. I get that the number is what it is regardless of reason, but an injury can happen to anyone. When comparing players I assume they will both be healthy unless there is a real track record of repeated injury. Yeah, that's harsh, BUT I do agree largely about Ender. I like the guy, but his hitting is lacking. That said, if he can hit .270+ and maintain his elite defense, that works for me. Problem is, he'll bat .150 between Opening Day and the end of June. I do agree it could be considered harsh, and like I said I'm not saying I'm right, I've just had a lot of success in my life and in raising my daughter by being very harsh on myself and her, but its paid off for both of us and it's the way I look at things. My high school baseball coach was a Marine, he ran our team like a Marine camp, and I learned a lot of positive lessons about being overly demanding. I hated that guy with a passion at the time, but it didn't take me long to realize later on that he was the most important person to ever come into my life, he woke me up and gave me a great template to get the most out of myself and others around me. |
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Post by keystone61 on Feb 10, 2020 16:25:24 GMT -5
Yeah, that's harsh, BUT I do agree largely about Ender. I like the guy, but his hitting is lacking. That said, if he can hit .270+ and maintain his elite defense, that works for me. Problem is, he'll bat .150 between Opening Day and the end of June. I do agree it could be considered harsh, and like I said I'm not saying I'm right, I've just had a lot of success in my life and in raising my daughter by being very harsh on myself and her, but its paid off for both of us and it's the way I look at things. My high school baseball coach was a Marine, he ran our team like a Marine camp, and I learned a lot of positive lessons about being overly demanding. I hated that guy with a passion at the time, but it didn't take me long to realize later on that he was the most important person to ever come into my life, he woke me up and gave me a great template to get the most out of myself and others around me. .......does this mean you can front me some ca$h? |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 10, 2020 16:33:46 GMT -5
I do agree it could be considered harsh, and like I said I'm not saying I'm right, I've just had a lot of success in my life and in raising my daughter by being very harsh on myself and her, but its paid off for both of us and it's the way I look at things. My high school baseball coach was a Marine, he ran our team like a Marine camp, and I learned a lot of positive lessons about being overly demanding. I hated that guy with a passion at the time, but it didn't take me long to realize later on that he was the most important person to ever come into my life, he woke me up and gave me a great template to get the most out of myself and others around me. .......does this mean you can front me some ca$h? I would but we're doing a lot of work on the house right now and paying extra to get it paid off so I can take an early 75% retirement in 3 years. Dang it if you had asked a year ago I could have done it. So sorry! |
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Post by keystone61 on Feb 10, 2020 16:37:54 GMT -5
.......does this mean you can front me some ca$h? I would but we're doing a lot of work on the house right now and paying extra to get it paid off so I can take an early 75% retirement in 3 years. Dang it if you had asked a year ago I could have done it. So sorry! Ummmm........I don't give a sheet about your house!! LMAO |
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