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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 13:36:18 GMT -5
I would pass on Bryant even for two yrs. What we have in the system well, we do not know till they get here but what if Ian and Wright are legit top of rotation pitchers. What if Riley is truly the man and solution, then problem solved Riley could get a heck of alot better in his second yr I like the team as we are though I always have second, third and fourth guesses on Folty. To me he is the most questionable link. I have more confidence in Newcomb making the transition back to the rotation then Folty being consistent I have always liked Newcomb's mound presence, always looks like a guy with self control in good and bad times I hope Folty proves me wrong but I never have really believed in him - I know he has the talent but?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 13:41:48 GMT -5
That much variance in WAR tells me WAR is pretty useless. A stat should be a stat should be a stat. Anyway, I'm not against pursuing him, but if the price is something like Riley, Waters, and Wright +, which I suspect it will be, I'm out. I have an issue in judging a total season performance on a computation that shows one single number and a decimal point That is why I see WAR as useless. Sure there is more than HRS and RBI's but at least those are legit unarguable computations - not the end all and be all but true stats. Sean Smith is a paraiah to me cause of that stupid WAR thing, sadly its taken seriously this day in time - typical 21st century foolishness |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 31, 2020 13:26:52 GMT -5
From the MLB website:
Atlanta Braves
1. Who is playing third base?
Losing Josh Donaldson to the Twins was a difficult pill to swallow, but it was even harder when you consider how little the Braves have to replace him with. It looks like it will be a platoon between the free-swinging Austin Riley and the solid-but-unspectacular Johan Camargo. No offense to those guys, but that’s a steep drop. The Braves are constantly mentioned in Nolan Arenado and Kris Bryant trade rumors, but if they don’t end up with either of those guys (and they’re of course highly unlikely to), their lineup is already considerably worse than it was last year.
These writers, no matter who they are or where they work, talk about Badhaircut like he's the best player in the game, and they all assume that 2019 will be his norm going forward. I don't get it. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, because this has been the tone of every word written about Badhaircut all winter long. Don't get me wrong. I would have liked him back for another year or two, but I'm a bit tired of hearing him talked about as if he's the be all and end all of baseball players.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 31, 2020 13:59:12 GMT -5
From the MLB website: Atlanta Braves 1. Who is playing third base? Losing Josh Donaldson to the Twins was a difficult pill to swallow, but it was even harder when you consider how little the Braves have to replace him with. It looks like it will be a platoon between the free-swinging Austin Riley and the solid-but-unspectacular Johan Camargo. No offense to those guys, but that’s a steep drop. The Braves are constantly mentioned in Nolan Arenado and Kris Bryant trade rumors, but if they don’t end up with either of those guys (and they’re of course highly unlikely to), their lineup is already considerably worse than it was last year. These writers, no matter who they are or where they work, talk about Badhaircut like he's the best player in the game, and they all assume that 2019 will be his norm going forward. I don't get it. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, because this has been the tone of every word written about Badhaircut all winter long. Don't get me wrong. I would have liked him back for another year or two, but I'm a bit tired of hearing him talked about as if he's the be all and end all of baseball players. Sports writers lose more respect from me every day. Sure it would be nice to have JD or Bryant or Arenado, but there's a big picture involved with each one of them that has to be evaluated. These writers, like casual fans, would have a killer team for a year or two if they could GM, and then have a team that would win 10-15 games per year for the next ten years after that because they have no comprehension of how to plan for today and tomorrow at the same time. Their answer is always go all out today then just spend more money tomorrow, that will fix everything. Clueless about reality. Pfffffffttt. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 31, 2020 14:12:20 GMT -5
From the MLB website: Atlanta Braves 1. Who is playing third base? Losing Josh Donaldson to the Twins was a difficult pill to swallow, but it was even harder when you consider how little the Braves have to replace him with. It looks like it will be a platoon between the free-swinging Austin Riley and the solid-but-unspectacular Johan Camargo. No offense to those guys, but that’s a steep drop. The Braves are constantly mentioned in Nolan Arenado and Kris Bryant trade rumors, but if they don’t end up with either of those guys (and they’re of course highly unlikely to), their lineup is already considerably worse than it was last year. These writers, no matter who they are or where they work, talk about Badhaircut like he's the best player in the game, and they all assume that 2019 will be his norm going forward. I don't get it. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, because this has been the tone of every word written about Badhaircut all winter long. Don't get me wrong. I would have liked him back for another year or two, but I'm a bit tired of hearing him talked about as if he's the be all and end all of baseball players. Sports writers lose more respect from me every day. Sure it would be nice to have JD or Bryant or Arenado, but there's a big picture involved with each one of them that has to be evaluated. These writers, like casual fans, would have a killer team for a year or two if they could GM, and then have a team that would win 10-15 games per year for the next ten years after that because they have no comprehension of how to plan for today and tomorrow at the same time. Their answer is always go all out today then just spend more money tomorrow, that will fix everything. Clueless about reality. Pfffffffttt. They all think that there's a bottomless bucket of money at the disposal of each team, too, especially the big-market teams. Contracts like those of Cabrera, Pujols, Price, et al don't even exist in their world. I've come to the conclusion that they're all dumbasses. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 31, 2020 17:08:30 GMT -5
From the MLB website: Atlanta Braves 1. Who is playing third base? Losing Josh Donaldson to the Twins was a difficult pill to swallow, but it was even harder when you consider how little the Braves have to replace him with. It looks like it will be a platoon between the free-swinging Austin Riley and the solid-but-unspectacular Johan Camargo. No offense to those guys, but that’s a steep drop. The Braves are constantly mentioned in Nolan Arenado and Kris Bryant trade rumors, but if they don’t end up with either of those guys (and they’re of course highly unlikely to), their lineup is already considerably worse than it was last year. These writers, no matter who they are or where they work, talk about Badhaircut like he's the best player in the game, and they all assume that 2019 will be his norm going forward. I don't get it. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, because this has been the tone of every word written about Badhaircut all winter long. Don't get me wrong. I would have liked him back for another year or two, but I'm a bit tired of hearing him talked about as if he's the be all and end all of baseball players. Is that true or are they saying he is significantly better than our alternatives. I think you are exaggerating about how he is being spoken about. No one has said Bryant isn't a good alternative..or Arenado couldn't carry JD's jock.. they are just comparing him to Riley and Camargo. Now if you want to say that Riley and Camargo are viable alternatives after we added the power of Ozuna, then I can buy that... but I don't think they are saying JD is the be all-end all of baseball players. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 31, 2020 20:28:06 GMT -5
The problem with 99% of "journalists" is that they write in a way that says "I'm smarter than you" and it couldn't be the furthest from the truth. The biggest issues are in politics and sports. Baseball writers are particularly bad.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 31, 2020 20:47:00 GMT -5
Baseball writers are hooked on the go for it now and deplete your future approach. It’s sensationalism. It gets them clicks, which is all they care about.Sure it’s fun when you’re good and “going for it,” not fun at all doing s full rebuild. That was brutal for me to endure, don’t wanna go there again. And our turnaround was super fast but still brutal.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 31, 2020 20:47:03 GMT -5
From the MLB website: Atlanta Braves 1. Who is playing third base? Losing Josh Donaldson to the Twins was a difficult pill to swallow, but it was even harder when you consider how little the Braves have to replace him with. It looks like it will be a platoon between the free-swinging Austin Riley and the solid-but-unspectacular Johan Camargo. No offense to those guys, but that’s a steep drop. The Braves are constantly mentioned in Nolan Arenado and Kris Bryant trade rumors, but if they don’t end up with either of those guys (and they’re of course highly unlikely to), their lineup is already considerably worse than it was last year. These writers, no matter who they are or where they work, talk about Badhaircut like he's the best player in the game, and they all assume that 2019 will be his norm going forward. I don't get it. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, because this has been the tone of every word written about Badhaircut all winter long. Don't get me wrong. I would have liked him back for another year or two, but I'm a bit tired of hearing him talked about as if he's the be all and end all of baseball players. Is that true or are they saying he is significantly better than our alternatives. I think you are exaggerating about how he is being spoken about. No one has said Bryant isn't a good alternative..or Arenado couldn't carry JD's jock.. they are just comparing him to Riley and Camargo. Now if you want to say that Riley and Camargo are viable alternatives after we added the power of Ozuna, then I can buy that... but I don't think they are saying JD is the be all-end all of baseball players. May be, but that blurb makes it sound like the Braves pushed all their chips in and he just preferred the Twins. A "difficult pill to swallow"? That's ridiculous. 4 years, $100 million with an option for a 5th year is the difficult pill to swallow. IMO. By the way, who says that? Nobody says that........it's a tough pill to swallow. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 21:05:58 GMT -5
Whomever the H wrote that blurb about the Braves losing JD is showing little or no respect for the potential of Austin Riley
Sure the kid was a free swinger and has alot to learn but what we saw the first two months was nothing to sneeze at
In his minor league career he was prone to streaks, but he learned and got better at each level
Would be sweet baseball history if he can do what Mike Schmidt did (okay, even 80 percent of what he did) in 1974, his second yr in. Schmidt did struggle his first yr out in 73 and from 74 on till he had that rotator cuff injury the rest is history.
This day in time there is too much information - I turn 64 this yr am glad I got to appreciate the game in the more simplified generation I grew up in. And sportswriters & sports talk people actually knew their craft and were more trustworthy
Less information just might have been better - and sure miss that little red book of whos who in baseball that went by the wayside after 2016. Baseball prospectus sucks
Today you have hype bloggers on too many sites and as for sports talk, well its not even sports talk, I rarely listen to it locally - too much pop culture and who cares about movies and hotties etc when you are a serious sports fan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 21:12:33 GMT -5
Even big market teams have to hold the line sometimes. Look at the Betts scenario, hey that is not a cheap team and they will get salvage value for him, but they will still have a 200 plus payroll.
Obviously he is pushing FA, has no intention of staying there so they have to move him
On the JD thing, hey got to keep enough of the sugar to get Freddie Freeman to extend, who knows what it will take to keep him but I think the Braves will do their best he is our guy. Maybe that is part of the reason Alex and Mc Guirk drew the line on JD
Who would you rather have, JD for that contract or a fair extension for Freddie
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 31, 2020 21:31:05 GMT -5
Baseball writers are hooked on the go for it now and deplete your future approach. It’s sensationalism. It gets them clicks, which is all they care about.Sure it’s fun when you’re good and “going for it,” not fun at all doing s full rebuild. That was brutal for me to endure, don’t wanna go there again. And our turnaround was super fast but still brutal. All things considered, the Braves rebuild wasn’t bad at all. The Coppy shenanigans was the literal worst, but I enjoyed the building, drafting, signings, and watching the young guys rise up the ranks. I will never forgive myself for not hoarding Acuna RC auto cards. Could have got them so dirt cheap on the ground floor. Base cards sell for a grand a pop. FUUUUUUUDGE!!!!!! |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 31, 2020 21:59:02 GMT -5
Baseball writers are hooked on the go for it now and deplete your future approach. It’s sensationalism. It gets them clicks, which is all they care about.Sure it’s fun when you’re good and “going for it,” not fun at all doing s full rebuild. That was brutal for me to endure, don’t wanna go there again. And our turnaround was super fast but still brutal. All things considered, the Braves rebuild wasn’t bad at all. The Coppy shenanigans was the literal worst, but I enjoyed the building, drafting, signings, and watching the young guys rise up the ranks. I will never forgive myself for not hoarding Acuna RC auto cards. Could have got them so dirt cheap on the ground floor. Base cards sell for a grand a pop. FUUUUUUUDGE!!!!!! I agree I enjoyed all that too, but I did not enjoy at all winning 207 games over the course of three seasons combined and finishing 25 games behind each year. Brutal in that aspect. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 31, 2020 22:31:30 GMT -5
I enjoy watching the kids come up as much as anything. They're OUR guys. That's important to me.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 31, 2020 23:06:52 GMT -5
The problem with 99% of "journalists" is that they write in a way that says "I'm smarter than you" and it couldn't be the furthest from the truth. The biggest issues are in politics and sports. Baseball writers are particularly bad. Agree |
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