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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 29, 2020 17:52:57 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the two sites having different numbers, it's never been an exact science. It's just a good way to compare players. To me if you want to compare one player against the other just make sure you use the same site. They just have different formulas, which is fine by me since it's just a rough comparison. Stop,there is no need for logic here ,it reduces the relevance of arrogation There you go confabulating away with your fancy words again. |
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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 29, 2020 18:02:55 GMT -5
Eat with gusto from my word salad
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 29, 2020 18:04:35 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with the two sites having different numbers, it's never been an exact science. It's just a good way to compare players. To me if you want to compare one player against the other just make sure you use the same site. They just have different formulas, which is fine by me since it's just a rough comparison. So, it's not a stat, because stats don't vary. Not an exact science........hmmm. What exactly is it? An opinion? How can there be that much difference? OPS is REAL. That's why I like it. Anyway, I don't wanna argue about WAR. I wanna argue about Kris Bryant! LMAO Ok, I don't care what anybody wants to call it, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other, I just like it because it's a good comparison of players to other players. I totally get it when people don't want to give credit to WAR since I've never viewed it as exact. As long as somebody doesn't come along wanting to spout HRs and RBI's as the sole measure of a player's personal contribution. 
I agree that OPS is great, it's not even an advanced stat. I like wRC+ even better because it accounts for ballpark effects, and I think that's important. But OPS is good too.
And you won't get any arguments from me on Bryant, I'm not giving up 3-4 good pieces for 2 years of him. I may not even give up two players, depending on who they were. I've seen several suggestions from Chicago saying they could get Fried and Waters and all kinds of crap like that, I would not trade Fried 1 for 1 for Bryant right now. Not for two years of Bryant.
This has some funny suggestions:
"Max Fried, Drew Waters, and Kyle Wright for Kris Bryant seems pretty fair on both sides but of Austin Riley was added to the deal I’d likely do it in a heart beat."
LOL!!!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 29, 2020 18:05:48 GMT -5
Eat with gusto from my word salad When you go tossing things out there like that, I'm going to just have to say no thank you and good day to you sir! |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 29, 2020 19:03:44 GMT -5
So, it's not a stat, because stats don't vary. Not an exact science........hmmm. What exactly is it? An opinion? How can there be that much difference? OPS is REAL. That's why I like it. Anyway, I don't wanna argue about WAR. I wanna argue about Kris Bryant! LMAO Ok, I don't care what anybody wants to call it, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other, I just like it because it's a good comparison of players to other players. I totally get it when people don't want to give credit to WAR since I've never viewed it as exact. As long as somebody doesn't come along wanting to spout HRs and RBI's as the sole measure of a player's personal contribution.
I agree that OPS is great, it's not even an advanced stat. I like wRC+ even better because it accounts for ballpark effects, and I think that's important. But OPS is good too.
And you won't get any arguments from me on Bryant, I'm not giving up 3-4 good pieces for 2 years of him. I may not even give up two players, depending on who they were. I've seen several suggestions from Chicago saying they could get Fried and Waters and all kinds of crap like that, I would not trade Fried 1 for 1 for Bryant right now. Not for two years of Bryant.
This has some funny suggestions:
"Max Fried, Drew Waters, and Kyle Wright for Kris Bryant seems pretty fair on both sides but of Austin Riley was added to the deal I’d likely do it in a heart beat."
LOL!!!
The mindless execution of such a staggeringly overcompensatory transaction would ravage the very foundations upon which the Atlanta entry into the National League of Baseball Clubs is built, resulting in a weakening of the product to an incomprehensible level. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 29, 2020 19:14:38 GMT -5
It's a quantitative measurement useful especially in comparing players at the same position. It should not be used in the same manner as all other "stats", not should it's value be diminished because its not meant to be used the way you seem to want to use it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 29, 2020 19:35:10 GMT -5
Ok, I don't care what anybody wants to call it, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other, I just like it because it's a good comparison of players to other players. I totally get it when people don't want to give credit to WAR since I've never viewed it as exact. As long as somebody doesn't come along wanting to spout HRs and RBI's as the sole measure of a player's personal contribution.
I agree that OPS is great, it's not even an advanced stat. I like wRC+ even better because it accounts for ballpark effects, and I think that's important. But OPS is good too.
And you won't get any arguments from me on Bryant, I'm not giving up 3-4 good pieces for 2 years of him. I may not even give up two players, depending on who they were. I've seen several suggestions from Chicago saying they could get Fried and Waters and all kinds of crap like that, I would not trade Fried 1 for 1 for Bryant right now. Not for two years of Bryant.
This has some funny suggestions:
"Max Fried, Drew Waters, and Kyle Wright for Kris Bryant seems pretty fair on both sides but of Austin Riley was added to the deal I’d likely do it in a heart beat."
LOL!!!
The mindless execution of such a staggeringly overcompensatory transaction would ravage the very foundations upon which the Atlanta entry into the National League of Baseball Clubs is built, resulting in a weakening of the product to an incomprehensible level. So eloquent! Adam Schiff, is that you?
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Don't answer that or we'll all get in trouble.
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Post by PABraveFan on Jan 29, 2020 19:59:07 GMT -5
Eat with gusto from my word salad When you go tossing things out there like that, I'm going to just have to say no thank you and good day to you sir! I agree that OPS is great, it's not even an advanced stat. I like wRC+ even better because it accounts for ballpark effects, and I think that's important. But OPS is good too. What accounts for a pitcher making great pitches or terrible pitches? Do they track the locations, speed, break, and "hitability" of the pitch to each hitter and include it in the stats somewhere? |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 29, 2020 20:18:23 GMT -5
When you go tossing things out there like that, I'm going to just have to say no thank you and good day to you sir! I agree that OPS is great, it's not even an advanced stat. I like wRC+ even better because it accounts for ballpark effects, and I think that's important. But OPS is good too. What accounts for a pitcher making great pitches or terrible pitches? Do they track the locations, speed, break, and "hitability" of the pitch to each hitter and include it in the stats somewhere? I really don't know the formulas because I've never cared to dig that far into it, but my guess would be those things are not factored in because they probably assume those things all even out over time. At least close enough to not make a measurable difference. As opposed to hitting in a place like the Reds park compared to some of the pitcher friendly parks. If a guy is playing 81 home games in Cincinnati it seems pretty obvious he's at an advantage over hitters in a lot of other ballparks. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 29, 2020 20:19:16 GMT -5
Definitely think the Braves will possibly be interested at the break. If you want a true sign of it, watch how they treat their pitching prospects. If they’re aggressive with Davidson and Muller it’ll be to see which prospect, out of all of them, will be kept and which will be traded. Braves need to know what they have before they trade it away. They’ve spent all this time hoarding their prospects. There’s no way they’ll trade them now without knowing what they have.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 29, 2020 20:21:03 GMT -5
Max Fried Alone is >than Bryant. Pitching wins in playoffs and he may be our best.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 29, 2020 21:11:27 GMT -5
Max Fried Alone is >than Bryant. Pitching wins in playoffs and he may be our best. He may or may not be > Bryant, because you don't really know for sure (of course), but if Fried can stay healthy, he's at the age where he could develop into a number 1 or 2 pitcher, and that's the most valuable commodity in baseball.......and as you said, in the playoffs in particular. Trading him at this point would be about as dumb a thing as you could do..IMO |
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Post by PABraveFan on Jan 30, 2020 8:50:26 GMT -5
I agree that OPS is great, it's not even an advanced stat. I like wRC+ even better because it accounts for ballpark effects, and I think that's important. But OPS is good too. What accounts for a pitcher making great pitches or terrible pitches? Do they track the locations, speed, break, and "hitability" of the pitch to each hitter and include it in the stats somewhere? I really don't know the formulas because I've never cared to dig that far into it, but my guess would be those things are not factored in because they probably assume those things all even out over time. At least close enough to not make a measurable difference. As opposed to hitting in a place like the Reds park compared to some of the pitcher friendly parks. If a guy is playing 81 home games in Cincinnati it seems pretty obvious he's at an advantage over hitters in a lot of other ballparks. As a meteorologist I would think the weather also plays a role. A wind blowing in at Wrigley or Cincy can make it play long. Of course, a wind blowing out is HR derby. I wonder if they include things like temperature, air density, and prevailing wind. Those factors can affect a ball by anywhere from 3-40 feet or more. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 30, 2020 10:04:15 GMT -5
I really don't know the formulas because I've never cared to dig that far into it, but my guess would be those things are not factored in because they probably assume those things all even out over time. At least close enough to not make a measurable difference. As opposed to hitting in a place like the Reds park compared to some of the pitcher friendly parks. If a guy is playing 81 home games in Cincinnati it seems pretty obvious he's at an advantage over hitters in a lot of other ballparks. As a meteorologist I would think the weather also plays a role. A wind blowing in at Wrigley or Cincy can make it play long. Of course, a wind blowing out is HR derby. I wonder if they include things like temperature, air density, and prevailing wind. Those factors can affect a ball by anywhere from 3-40 feet or more. I agree but I would imagine that’s another thing they just assume will even out over time. Maybe you could put your weather knowledge into it and come up with a new stat that takes weather into consideration and become famous. Take that, Bastardi! |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 30, 2020 10:20:55 GMT -5
Bryant officially has 2 years of control left. Braves pursuit? Yay or nay? I'm a nay. I’m a nay. If we are going to move any prospects now, I would hope it would be for a Clevinger type of starter who could help the rotation. |
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