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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 20, 2020 11:22:52 GMT -5
Have you guys ever thought the same thing about a woman? Hey, maybe if I added a little wild and crazy to my life that would be a good thing. I did. And it was really good for a while then pure torturous disastrous hell after that. Same thing would happen here. The Dodgers couldn’t wait to get rid of the guy. A big no thanks from me. The psycho factor is cool when you’re a teen or a young adult, but once you’re a responsible grown up, not cool at all. We’re a grown up team ready to compete, we don’t need the disruption. That's why we only proposed one season. I would prefer a guy like Castellanos or even, Ozuna, but they are going to want multiple years. So, are we going to commit to one of them and send one of either Waters or Pache packing? Cause, unless MLB is going to a softball rule of 4 OFs, we would have only one spot left for two players. We can always move a guy like Castellanos after two years if we needed to. Plus I’d point out there’s absolutely no guarantee Puig is going to be good for awhile at the beginning. Note the 8.5 WAR for the last five years. |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 20, 2020 11:33:51 GMT -5
That's why we only proposed one season. I would prefer a guy like Castellanos or even, Ozuna, but they are going to want multiple years. So, are we going to commit to one of them and send one of either Waters or Pache packing? Cause, unless MLB is going to a softball rule of 4 OFs, we would have only one spot left for two players. We can always move a guy like Castellanos after two years if we needed to. Plus I’d point out there’s absolutely no guarantee Puig is going to be good for awhile at the beginning. Note the 8.5 WAR for the last five years. Any idea what Nick is looking for contract-wise? Cause I still think we would need him and a guy like Marte to as Keystone put it, lengthen and strengthen the lineup. If we sign just Castellanos, would we go with an outfield of Acuna, Ender and NC, or Kakes/Duvall, Acuna, and Castellanos? Either of which doesn't look real hot past the #4 hitter. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 20, 2020 11:43:32 GMT -5
It seems I’ll be in the minority on this, but would it be the worst thing in the world for the Braves not to get bogged down in a long term contract and just wait a little longer for the likes of Pache, Waters, and Riley to cement themselves on the MLB roster?
I know we’ve been spoiled the last two years, but I’m thinking maybe a step back might lead to a longer term of success than trying to fill holes with money, on older players.
Just a thought.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 20, 2020 12:03:32 GMT -5
We can always move a guy like Castellanos after two years if we needed to. Plus I’d point out there’s absolutely no guarantee Puig is going to be good for awhile at the beginning. Note the 8.5 WAR for the last five years. Any idea what Nick is looking for contract-wise? Cause I still think we would need him and a guy like Marte to as Keystone put it, lengthen and strengthen the lineup. If we sign just Castellanos, would we go with an outfield of Acuna, Ender and NC, or Kakes/Duvall, Acuna, and Castellanos? Either of which doesn't look real hot past the #4 hitter. I honestly don’t know what kind of contract Castellanos is going to end up getting. I do know there are several teams very interested in him. Personally I’d be fine with adding just him or Marte. I prefer Marte because of the nice two years at $11M per year, that’s perfect for us if we could add him without giving up much that hurt us. I don’t think our bottom half is weak as much as just mediocre. But the potential is there for guys like Riley, Camargo and Dansby to have good offensive seasons too. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 20, 2020 12:07:01 GMT -5
It seems I’ll be in the minority on this, but would it be the worst thing in the world for the Braves not to get bogged down in a long term contract and just wait a little longer for the likes of Pache, Waters, and Riley to cement themselves on the MLB roster? I know we’ve been spoiled the last two years, but I’m thinking maybe a step back might lead to a longer term of success than trying to fill holes with money, on older players. Just a thought. I would be 100% fine with that. I think we have more talent than most people want to recognize, and given the chance I feel pretty confident some of these guys aside from Acuna and Albies will blossom. There’s no reason to compare them to JD. One player doesn’t make or break a team. I don’t think Pache is that far off, we’re still pretty loaded as it is and I expect our pitching to be much better this year, both starters and the pen. No reason to panic here in my book. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 20, 2020 12:12:35 GMT -5
I don’t feel a need to spend the JD money right now just because we have it. If the right deal isn’t there now we still have that money to use at any point over the next couple years if we want to when the right situation does come along.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 20, 2020 12:22:49 GMT -5
It seems I’ll be in the minority on this, but would it be the worst thing in the world for the Braves not to get bogged down in a long term contract and just wait a little longer for the likes of Pache, Waters, and Riley to cement themselves on the MLB roster? I know we’ve been spoiled the last two years, but I’m thinking maybe a step back might lead to a longer term of success than trying to fill holes with money, on older players. Just a thought. I would be 100% fine with that. I think we have more talent than most people want to recognize, and given the chance I feel pretty confident some of these guys aside from Acuna and Albies will blossom. There’s no reason to compare them to JD. One player doesn’t make or break a team. I don’t think Pache is that far off, we’re still pretty loaded as it is and I expect our pitching to be much better this year, both starters and the pen. No reason to panic here in my book. Hope you're feeling the same way when Snit trots this lineup out opening day:
2B Albies SS Swanson 1B Freeman RF Acuna LF Markakis C d'Arnaud 3B Camargo CF Inciarte
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 20, 2020 13:17:55 GMT -5
I would be 100% fine with that. I think we have more talent than most people want to recognize, and given the chance I feel pretty confident some of these guys aside from Acuna and Albies will blossom. There’s no reason to compare them to JD. One player doesn’t make or break a team. I don’t think Pache is that far off, we’re still pretty loaded as it is and I expect our pitching to be much better this year, both starters and the pen. No reason to panic here in my book. Hope you're feeling the same way when Snit trots this lineup out opening day:
2B Albies SS Swanson 1B Freeman RF Acuna LF Markakis C d'Arnaud 3B Camargo CF Inciarte
I can live with that until we see how Camargo, Riley and Pache respond. I would have Camargo hitting ahead of d’Arnaud. I would actually do this: RHP Acuna Markakis Freeman Albies Camargo Swanson Inciarte (Pache) d’Arnaud Pitcher LHP Acuna Albies Freeman Riley/Duvall Riley/Duvall Camargo Swanson Flowers Pitcher And see how it plays out. Nick’s best spot in his career is hitting 2nd. If we have to use him in a platoon I’m ok with him hitting there against righties. And I’d keep Dansby out of the 8th spot, that’s the worst place to hit for a guy who has a problem chasing too much. |
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Post by akod on Jan 20, 2020 13:24:45 GMT -5
Hope you're feeling the same way when Snit trots this lineup out opening day:
2B Albies SS Swanson 1B Freeman RF Acuna LF Markakis C d'Arnaud 3B Camargo CF Inciarte
I can live with that until we see how Camargo, Riley and Pache respond. I would have Camargo hitting ahead of d’Arnaud. I would actually do this: RHP Acuna Markakis Freeman Albies Camargo Swanson Inciarte (Pache) d’Arnaud Pitcher LHP Acuna Albies Freeman Riley/Duvall Riley/Duvall Camargo Flowers Swanson Pitcher And see how it plays out. Nick’s best spot in his career is hitting 2nd. If we have to use him in a platoon I’m ok with him hitting there against righties. I want Albies at 2. Remember him thinking he was Mighty Mouse with a ridiculous launch angle after seeing balls launch out of Suntrust? I don’t him pressing. Same with Acuna, it ain’t broke. It may be a hard decision to make with our fan base being one of the least educated and generally just shitty but playing out a few months with what we have is not the end of the world. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 20, 2020 13:28:25 GMT -5
Ideally I’d like Ozzie to always hit 2nd too, but I also think he matured a lot during 2019 at the plate and could handle 4th better now.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 20, 2020 14:03:58 GMT -5
Nick.................yuck
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 20, 2020 14:28:13 GMT -5
Nick.................yuck Believe me I understand the sentiment, but since we have him he could be somewhat of an asset if we used him properly. Which would be only start him when there's a RHP on the mound and bat him 2nd (as our team is constructed right now). I know he's slowish on the bases, but he's a really good OBP guy against righties.
.298/.371/.446/.816 in 2019
.292/.368/.440/.808 for his career against them.
And his career OPS is 100 points higher hitting 2nd than any other spot in the lineup, he has slashed .312/.383/.489/.872 batting 2nd in his career, and it's a large sample size.
This is where I think knowing some stats as a manager is important. Snitker has this idea that Nick is a run producing guy, that's why he has had him hitting 4th and 5th, the reality is he's just had a ton of chances because he hit behind 3-4 guys with huge OBP's. He has a career .752 OPS in high leverage spots. So he's not bad there, just not optimal either.
And if you're not going to hit him 2nd, put him in the 6th spot or lower please. Even for as bad a season as Camargo had last year, he still had an .877 OPS in high leverage spots. Camargo was an 1.065 OPS in high leverage spots in 2017 and a 1.025 OPS in 2018 in high leverage, which was 27th in all of baseball. Dude has a career OPS of .998 in high leverage spots. Again, stats a manager should know. I don't see Camargo at his best as a cleanup hitter, I think he's a great 6th spot hitter but could work at #5 also, especially if he bulks up just a little more. At any rate, he belongs in those spots way more than Nick does.
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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 20, 2020 14:30:13 GMT -5
Nick.................yuck Where is that Hope Spongebob? |
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 20, 2020 14:40:56 GMT -5
Nick.................yuck Believe me I understand the sentiment, but since we have him he could be somewhat of an asset if we used him properly. Which would be only start him when there's a RHP on the mound and bat him 2nd (as our team is constructed right now). I know he's slowish on the bases, but he's a really good OBP guy against righties.
.298/.371/.446/.816 in 2019
.292/.368/.440/.808 for his career against them.
And his career OPS is 100 points higher hitting 2nd than any other spot in the lineup, he has slashed .312/.383/.489/.872 batting 2nd in his career, and it's a large sample size.
This is where I think knowing some stats as a manager is important. Snitker has this idea that Nick is a run producing guy, that's why he has had him hitting 4th and 5th, the reality is he's just had a ton of chances because he hit behind 3-4 guys with huge OBP's. He has a career .752 OPS in high leverage spots. So he's not bad there, just not optimal either.
And if you're not going to hit him 2nd, put him in the 6th spot or lower please. Even for as bad a season as Camargo had last year, he still had an .877 OPS in high leverage spots. Camargo was an 1.065 OPS in high leverage spots in 2017 and a 1.025 OPS in 2018 in high leverage, which was 27th in all of baseball. Dude has a career OPS of .998 in high leverage spots. Again, stats a manager should know. I don't see Camargo at his best as a cleanup hitter, I think he's a great 6th spot hitter but could work at #5 also, especially if he bulks up just a little more. At any rate, he belongs in those spots way more than Nick does.
So, ideally, if we signed Castellanos, we could go
CF Acuna 2B Albies 1B Freeman RF Castellanos 3B Camargo LF Markakis / Duvall SS Swanson C d'Arnaud
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 20, 2020 14:48:47 GMT -5
Nick.................yuck Where is that Hope Spongebob? ........not in Nick Markakis. |
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