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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 19, 2020 15:20:18 GMT -5
Not an Ozuna fan and the cost of a draft pick furthers my disfavor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:26:11 GMT -5
Other than a slight difference in age, they are basically the same player. Don’t personally see how keeping one over the other is a huge difference maker in the grand scheme of things. Yep, but Kakes has the better overall career compilation numbers, near 2400 hits and he did hit .285/356 last yr And he has had good RBI production in his time here but I know, RBIs do not count anymore - 62 RBI in 116 games - and he is still a doubles producer Nick does not grade out well in the WAR stuff and some of the board think he is the worst thing in the world, so WTH, its what you value OPS plus was acutally around league average even last yr, high 90's close enough to me - he has been a bit above 100 most of his career 120's in his best yrs I like both players but to me Nick has had the better career overall |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:29:06 GMT -5
Not an Ozuna fan and the cost of a draft pick furthers my disfavor. Don't worry about it, I doubt they will get him cause my gut is someone will give him at least two yrs and our braintrust does not want to do that as I see it I will want on Waters, even if its another year - I like the Jeff Mc Neil comparison, that works for me THose two kids should be untouchable unless they are blown away with an offer |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 19, 2020 15:42:31 GMT -5
I hate to say this but at this point I really think the smart move would be to sign PUIG for 2 yrs. We lose no prospects. And we do not block Waters and Pache long term and we also won't need to rush them. I didn't agree with this till I read an article on BR about why he is a good fit. I didn't Realize that he has been a better offensive player than both Ozuna and Castellanos and he is far better playing D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:46:57 GMT -5
I hate to say this but at this point I really think the smart move would be to sign PUIG for 2 yrs. We lose no prospects. And we do not block Waters and Pache long term and we also won't need to rush them. I didn't agree with this till I read an article on BR about why he is a good fit. I didn't Realize that he has been a better offensive player than both Ozuna and Castellanos and he is far better playing D We should see Waters and Pache with Acuna in 2021, by then these kids will have done everything they can do in the minor leagues - they might get a cup of coffee before then As for Puig, No, never never never - and we really need a one yr stop gap I would rather have Nick and Ender in my OF than even entertain the thought of Puig, I despise his style If need be they can find someone for one yr |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:51:18 GMT -5
Nick is a divisive player on this board, guess part of it was the original 4 yr contract some fans thought was a big overpay and did not seem to fit in the rebuild at the time
And not grading out in the new fangled numbers adds to the divisive nature of how he is perceived, for my liking he has been a good ballplayer & a good example through his whole time here
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 19, 2020 15:53:07 GMT -5
I hate to say this but at this point I really think the smart move would be to sign PUIG for 2 yrs. We lose no prospects. And we do not block Waters and Pache long term and we also won't need to rush them. I didn't agree with this till I read an article on BR about why he is a good fit. I didn't Realize that he has been a better offensive player than both Ozuna and Castellanos and he is far better playing D We should see Waters and Pache with Acuna in 2021, by then these kids will have done everything they can do in the minor leagues - they might get a cup of coffee before then As for Puig, No, never never never - and we really need a one yr stop gap I would rather have Nick and Ender in my OF than even entertain the thought of Puig, I despise his style If need be they can find someone for one yr well there is no one else we can sign on short term contract who has reputation that's needed to protect Freeman heck having PUIG even protects Acuna, guys won't throw at him if they know PUIG is coming after them. It's funny how no one wants PUIG because as a younger player he did bone head stuff on the field yet they all love Acuna who falls in the PUIG, Gomez category |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:53:39 GMT -5
Nick is a divisive player on this board, guess part of it was the original 4 yr contract some fans thought was a big overpay and did not seem to fit in the rebuild at the time And not grading out in the new fangled numbers adds to the divisive nature of how he is perceived, for my liking he has been a good ballplayer & a good example through his whole time here He is better thought of by other fans - he is not as excorated by the local media and broadcast crew. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:55:23 GMT -5
We should see Waters and Pache with Acuna in 2021, by then these kids will have done everything they can do in the minor leagues - they might get a cup of coffee before then As for Puig, No, never never never - and we really need a one yr stop gap I would rather have Nick and Ender in my OF than even entertain the thought of Puig, I despise his style If need be they can find someone for one yr well there is no one else we can sign on short term contract who has reputation that's needed to protect Freeman heck having PUIG even protects Acuna, guys won't throw at him if they know PUIG is coming after them. It's funny how no one wants PUIG because as a younger player he did bone head stuff on the field yet they all love Acuna who falls in the PUIG, Gomez category Acuna has a bit to learn but is no where near what Puig was, got to say part of my dislike for him is that he was a Dodger which is a hated uniform, can't get over that |
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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 19, 2020 16:09:45 GMT -5
Puig could also be our enforcer ,esp when we play the shildtty cards
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 19, 2020 16:49:25 GMT -5
Puig could also be our enforcer ,esp when we play the shildtty cards Stop it with that! No to PWEEG, he's a psycho and I don't want him within 100 miles of our team chemistry! |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 19, 2020 16:53:37 GMT -5
2019:
Markakis .285/.356/.420/.776 with a 102 wRC+ and a 0.4 WAR in 469 PA's
Joyce .295/.408/.450/.858 with a 128 wRC+ and a 1.2 WAR in 238 PA's (half as many)
Not even close. And Joyce is a better defensive player at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 17:06:59 GMT -5
2019:
Markakis .285/.356/.420/.776 with a 102 wRC+ and a 0.4 WAR in 469 PA's
Joyce .295/.408/.450/.858 with a 128 wRC+ and a 1.2 WAR in 238 PA's (half as many)
Not even close. And Joyce is a better defensive player at this point.
I would take Joyce's production from 2017, that is the last yr he was close to a full time player I took a look at his career numbers, there was more than what I thought it was, its a good question why he has been more of a part time player most of his career As a younger player in Tampa, he had three good OPS plus yrs 131 back in 2011. Good traditional numbers too for 3 yrs, guess he got stereotyped as a platoon or part time guy Just the way the game goes I guess, its a matter of opportunity |
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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 19, 2020 17:14:11 GMT -5
Puig could also be our enforcer ,esp when we play the shildtty cards Stop it with that! No to PWEEG, he's a psycho and I don't want him within 100 miles of our team chemistry! Just say Yas to Puig Cost effective and short term Defender of all
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 19, 2020 17:17:04 GMT -5
2019:
Markakis .285/.356/.420/.776 with a 102 wRC+ and a 0.4 WAR in 469 PA's
Joyce .295/.408/.450/.858 with a 128 wRC+ and a 1.2 WAR in 238 PA's (half as many)
Not even close. And Joyce is a better defensive player at this point.
Where are you getting your WAR numbers? Cause according to Baseball Reference, the WARs were 0.9 (Joyce) and 0.8 (Nick) in 2019. And going back several years, it’s been: 2018 - 0.1 vs. 2.6 2017 - 1.8 vs. 0.6 2016 - 1.7 for both 2015 - -1.0 vs. 1.7 2014 - 1.3 vs. 1.8 2013 - 1.3 vs. 0.1 2012 - 2.1 vs. 1.7 The metrics seem to indicate that there isn’t much difference. I could have lived with Joyce and not Nick, or vice versa. Either way, we’d get about the same production. |
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