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Post by keystone61 on Jan 18, 2020 14:42:34 GMT -5
Take it with a huge grain of salt, but I’m seeing rumors of the Braves trading for Haniger/Seager. Writers are saying by the end of the week. Personally, I don’t see it happening, but thought I’d share it. The only way that makes sense is to have Ender and Camargo or Riley as the center pieces, not giving up any of the top 5 prospects. We sorta owe it to Camargo to trade him. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 18, 2020 14:46:38 GMT -5
I get the allure of Nick’s veteran presents, but his WAR for the last eight years is pretty telling.
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He’s not come close to being the player he was early in his career for a loooooooog time, it’s not a recent thing.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 18, 2020 14:50:58 GMT -5
The only way that makes sense is to have Ender and Camargo or Riley as the center pieces, not giving up any of the top 5 prospects. We sorta owe it to Camargo to trade him. I agree. If we don’t have a plan for him. The kid is a MLB starting caliber player. He destroyed it at Gwinnett when they fixed his swing and you never heard a word about it. If he was one of the chosen ones and was doing that they would have posted updates on TV every night and would have been showing video clips. I’d rather see him starting somewhere else than rot on our bench again. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 18, 2020 14:59:43 GMT -5
We sorta owe it to Camargo to trade him. I agree. If we don’t have a plan for him. The kid is a MLB starting caliber player. He destroyed it at Gwinnett when they fixed his swing and you never heard a word about it. If he was one of the chosen ones and was doing that they would have posted updates on TV every night and would have been showing video clips. I’d rather see him starting somewhere else than rot on our bench again. Yeah, it's strange how he's been treated, which is as if 2018 was just an aberration and there is no way in hell he could possibly ever repeat that. In the meantime, guys like Harper and Donaldson are treated as if their best year is to be expected every season, and all those other years were an aberration (I'm not comparing Camargo to Harper and Donaldson, BTW). We never even look at shortstops either, because we have Dansby Swanson, the anti-Camargo, whose greatness is always just around the corner. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 18, 2020 15:02:03 GMT -5
Take it with a huge grain of salt, but I’m seeing rumors of the Braves trading for Haniger/Seager. Writers are saying by the end of the week. Personally, I don’t see it happening, but thought I’d share it. The only way that makes sense is to have Ender and Camargo or Riley as the center pieces, not giving up any of the top 5 prospects. And? What's wrong with that? Seager just came off a 2.9 fWAR season, and Haniger is a year removed from a 4.5 fWAR season. I don't think the M's would actually do it, but if they were open to it, I don't see any issues with it. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 18, 2020 15:24:46 GMT -5
The only way that makes sense is to have Ender and Camargo or Riley as the center pieces, not giving up any of the top 5 prospects. And? What's wrong with that? Seager just came off a 2.9 fWAR season, and Haniger is a year removed from a 4.5 fWAR season. I don't think the M's would actually do it, but if they were open to it, I don't see any issues with it. I don't either. I was mainly saying I wouldn't want to give up any of our top 5 prospects in that deal. I wouldn't really want to give up Riley either, but if we end up not having a plan for him I'd rather move him somewhere for something. I see Seager and Haniger both as guys who could have a big upside but both could be pretty meh too. Seager has a cumulative WAR of 5.9 over the last three years. Haniger on the other hand has beast potential so I definitely wouldn't mind taking a chance on him.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 18, 2020 15:27:51 GMT -5
I agree. If we don’t have a plan for him. The kid is a MLB starting caliber player. He destroyed it at Gwinnett when they fixed his swing and you never heard a word about it. If he was one of the chosen ones and was doing that they would have posted updates on TV every night and would have been showing video clips. I’d rather see him starting somewhere else than rot on our bench again. Yeah, it's strange how he's been treated, which is as if 2018 was just an aberration and there is no way in hell he could possibly ever repeat that. In the meantime, guys like Harper and Donaldson are treated as if their best year is to be expected every season, and all those other years were an aberration (I'm not comparing Camargo to Harper and Donaldson, BTW). We never even look at shortstops either, because we have Dansby Swanson, the anti-Camargo, whose greatness is always just around the corner. I've never understood the treatment he's gotten. Some people have said 2018 was a fluke season, I find that almost impossible to believe because the jump to the big leagues is so difficult. So we're talking about a guy who STARTED his career in the bigs with an outlier fluke season? That makes zero sense. Imagine what the reaction would be if Pache came up and in his first 780 PA's in the big leagues gave us a 110 wRC+, an .800 OPS and 4.7 WAR.
I realize Camargo hadn't hit in the minors, but to not think his start in the big leagues meant he had figured things out baffles me. I still recall this article, written before the 2018 season started:
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 18, 2020 16:06:38 GMT -5
Yeah, it's strange how he's been treated, which is as if 2018 was just an aberration and there is no way in hell he could possibly ever repeat that. In the meantime, guys like Harper and Donaldson are treated as if their best year is to be expected every season, and all those other years were an aberration (I'm not comparing Camargo to Harper and Donaldson, BTW). We never even look at shortstops either, because we have Dansby Swanson, the anti-Camargo, whose greatness is always just around the corner. I've never understood the treatment he's gotten. Some people have said 2018 was a fluke season, I find that almost impossible to believe because the jump to the big leagues is so difficult. So we're talking about a guy who STARTED his career in the bigs with an outlier fluke season? That makes zero sense. Imagine what the reaction would be if Pache came up and in his first 780 PA's in the big leagues gave us a 110 wRC+, an .800 OPS and 4.7 WAR.
I realize Camargo hadn't hit in the minors, but to not think his start in the big leagues meant he had figured things out baffles me. I still recall this article, written before the 2018 season started:
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 18, 2020 16:13:37 GMT -5
Camargo must have doinked Snitker's daughter.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 18, 2020 16:35:04 GMT -5
Camargo must have doinked Snitker's daughter. If so I hope she got her mother's looks. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 18, 2020 17:03:35 GMT -5
Camargo must have doinked Snitker's daughter. If he didn't, he should. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 18, 2020 17:05:38 GMT -5
Camargo must have doinked Snitker's daughter. If he didn't, he should. One royal doinking deserves another. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 18, 2020 18:44:36 GMT -5
Hit that sh it Johan!
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 18, 2020 20:28:37 GMT -5
And? What's wrong with that? Seager just came off a 2.9 fWAR season, and Haniger is a year removed from a 4.5 fWAR season. I don't think the M's would actually do it, but if they were open to it, I don't see any issues with it. I don't either. I was mainly saying I wouldn't want to give up any of our top 5 prospects in that deal. I wouldn't really want to give up Riley either, but if we end up not having a plan for him I'd rather move him somewhere for something. I see Seager and Haniger both as guys who could have a big upside but both could be pretty meh too. Seager has a cumulative WAR of 5.9 over the last three years. Haniger on the other hand has beast potential so I definitely wouldn't mind taking a chance on him.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 18, 2020 20:31:49 GMT -5
I do appreciate your understanding of where Water’s bat is compared to Pache at the moment at least. He has a doubles machine type swing that may really take off with the super juiced ball in AAA. I love Pache, he’s been my breakout guy for years and has the massive upside to pair another superstar with Acuna. However, he is not likely to make that same leap Acuna did and will need time to develop. Waters at this point definitely has the bat that could provide Kakes like production from the start, not bad for a guy that can barely drink. I think the best comparison for waters is Jeff McNeil and that pretty good |
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