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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 11, 2020 20:34:42 GMT -5
Well we have proven one thing and I agree with it totally... If JD gets hurt and can't play, his WAR value will probably end up being worse that someone else who stays healthy and plays. And are the odds greater that could happen with him than the average player? It depends. Adrien Beltré played no less than 143 games per season, including a season where he played 161 games, between the ages of 34 and 38. Only saying that injuries aren’t predictive. Old age or not. A better argument, IMO, would be diminishing skills over potential injury. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 11, 2020 21:09:35 GMT -5
Well we have proven one thing and I agree with it totally... If JD gets hurt and can't play, his WAR value will probably end up being worse that someone else who stays healthy and plays. And are the odds greater that could happen with him than the average player? Possibly, but injuries happen to a lot of players. Has JD had a career plagued by injury, or one major one? Let's say however we get two more healthy JD type years before a decline starts. Does that give us better odds to win a WS than our current known alternatives? |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 11, 2020 21:24:20 GMT -5
Well we have proven one thing and I agree with it totally... If JD gets hurt and can't play, his WAR value will probably end up being worse that someone else who stays healthy and plays. If... Just noticed your name change. I'd +1 that if I could, lol......always good that we all maintain our sense of humor through these DDS times. |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 11, 2020 22:12:53 GMT -5
Not if JD's healthy. I think if Camargo played every day he would consistently be a 2-4 WAR player and JD is clearly a 5-8 WAR player if healthy. The only other variable that could bring JD down would be him possibly developing an issue catching up to the fastball as the years go by, that's fairly common after guys are past their prime. Already happening to Godlschmidt at 32. Ya, all things equal, JD is the far superior player. Maybe age catches up, maybe, but even if it does, his defense could still allow him to be a 3 WAR player, or Camargo at his best. what if Camargo stays the player he became at AAA? That changes everything and I think he will be at least close because he made a significant swing change |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 11, 2020 22:36:43 GMT -5
Ya, all things equal, JD is the far superior player. Maybe age catches up, maybe, but even if it does, his defense could still allow him to be a 3 WAR player, or Camargo at his best. what if Camargo stays the player he became at AAA? That changes everything and I think he will be at least close because he made a significant swing change Maybe. Maybe JD will sign somewhere else and the Braves will be forced to have Riley and Camargo fight for the spot. If he’s made a swing change, and all that, it could be fortunate for the Braves. That being said, the Braves are aware of what Camargo is doing. It’s not like they don’t stay in contact during the off-season. If they were convinced that Camargo is on the cusp of something great we wouldn’t be hearing about the Braves being interested in spending $20+ million over the next four years over a guy making $1.7 million and still under arbitration. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 11, 2020 22:57:39 GMT -5
what if Camargo stays the player he became at AAA? That changes everything and I think he will be at least close because he made a significant swing change Maybe. Maybe JD will sign somewhere else and the Braves will be forced to have Riley and Camargo fight for the spot. If he’s made a swing change, and all that, it could be fortunate for the Braves. That being said, the Braves are aware of what Camargo is doing. It’s not like they don’t stay in contact during the off-season. If they were convinced that Camargo is on the cusp of something great we wouldn’t be hearing about the Braves being interested in spending $20+ million over the next four years over a guy making $1.7 million and still under arbitration. They did show side by side comparisons of Camargo's swing before he went to Gwinnett and after he came back, and it was pretty major, his swing looked a thousand times better. He was less active with his body and hands, he had been chopping at the ball but after they worked with him Gwinnett he was keeping his bat on the proper plane a whole lot longer, huge difference. He crushed it at Gwinnett. What pisses me off though is why didn't they make those changes before he went to Gwinnett? Typically I don't like trying to make big swing changes during the season, but if a guy is struggling and is rotting on the bench, why not go ahead and do it? He obviously took to it quickly when he was with Gwinnett, so maybe they could have gotten him straightened out in May or June. I think really highly of Seitzer but this was one case where I don't get what took place. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 11, 2020 22:59:57 GMT -5
Maybe. Maybe JD will sign somewhere else and the Braves will be forced to have Riley and Camargo fight for the spot. If he’s made a swing change, and all that, it could be fortunate for the Braves. That being said, the Braves are aware of what Camargo is doing. It’s not like they don’t stay in contact during the off-season. If they were convinced that Camargo is on the cusp of something great we wouldn’t be hearing about the Braves being interested in spending $20+ million over the next four years over a guy making $1.7 million and still under arbitration. They did show side by side comparisons of Camargo's swing before he went to Gwinnett and after he came back, and it was pretty major, his swing looked a thousand times better. He was less active with his body and hands, he had been chopping at the ball but after they worked with him Gwinnett he was keeping his bat on the proper plane a whole lot longer, huge difference. He crushed it at Gwinnett. What pisses me off though is why didn't they make those changes before he went to Gwinnett? Typically I don't like trying to make big swing changes during the season, but if a guy is struggling and is rotting on the bench, why not go ahead and do it? He obviously took to it quickly when he was with Gwinnett, so maybe they could have gotten him straightened out in May or June. I think really highly of Seitzer but this was one case where I don't get what took place. Could have been the AAA hitting coach who rec’d the change. It would be exciting if he can reach a higher level. |
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Jan 11, 2020 23:10:47 GMT -5
Ya, all things equal, JD is the far superior player. Maybe age catches up, maybe, but even if it does, his defense could still allow him to be a 3 WAR player, or Camargo at his best. what if Camargo stays the player he became at AAA? That changes everything and I think he will be at least close because he made a significant swing change and do you assume that the Braves management is too stupid to have taken that into consideration, and that it may have played a part in their decision on what to offer and not offer JD.... an offer that is completely unknown to anyone here. |
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jan 12, 2020 3:41:38 GMT -5
what if Camargo stays the player he became at AAA? That changes everything and I think he will be at least close because he made a significant swing change and do you assume that the Braves management is too stupid to have taken that into consideration, and that it may have played a part in their decision on what to offer and not offer JD.... an offer that is completely unknown to anyone here. I think the fact that they've made an offer says about as much as we need to know. Either they're stupid, or they're not, and they have a good idea what they're gonna get from Camargo next year. |
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 12, 2020 4:31:04 GMT -5
And are the odds greater that could happen with him than the average player? It depends. Adrien Beltré played no less than 143 games per season, including a season where he played 161 games, between the ages of 34 and 38. Only saying that injuries aren’t predictive. Old age or not. A better argument, IMO, would be diminishing skills over potential injury. Beltre also only had one season with less than 500 PA's prior to age 34, and he still had 477 that year. So he had no recent prior injury problems heading into his age 34 season. Of course he also had that extra muscle.
For all I know JD could have 700 PA's each of the next four years. I'm not trying to say he WILL have injury issues or that he WILL physically decline, I just don't like the risk for the amount of money and I'm backing up why I feel that way. Everybody else has said what they think and I understand everybody's point of view. I'm not trying to say I'm right here. At this point we're all just going around and around saying the same things. JD probably reads this forum and he's not signing just so he can continue to laugh his balls off at how ridiculous we're being here over him.  |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 12, 2020 15:58:13 GMT -5
what if Camargo stays the player he became at AAA? That changes everything and I think he will be at least close because he made a significant swing change and do you assume that the Braves management is too stupid to have taken that into consideration, and that it may have played a part in their decision on what to offer and not offer JD.... an offer that is completely unknown to anyone here. I hope they did |
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 13, 2020 18:43:32 GMT -5
Has anyone seen the video of Acuna dunking in a basketball game? And should he be playing? He is risking injury
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jan 14, 2020 12:09:00 GMT -5
Truist Park? Yuck. But it will be a good name to go with the new Team Name. Since we can't use braves after all it is offensive and has caused people to do that disgusting chop and chant..... It's time to become The Atlanta Inclusives. And change our colors to the pride flag
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 14, 2020 12:25:51 GMT -5
Truist Park? Yuck. But it will be a good name to go with the new Team Name. Since we can't use braves after all it is offensive and has caused people to do that disgusting chop and chant..... It's time to become The Atlanta Inclusives. And change our colors to the pride flag And wear vagina hats. |
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 14, 2020 13:00:27 GMT -5
It's a shame Trump has no interest in owning a baseball team...........
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