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Post by keystone61 on Mar 5, 2019 20:21:13 GMT -5
MLB trade rumors chat:
Jeff 3:36 Just what in the Hell are the Braves doing? Steve Adams 3:36 Not nearly enough, from my vantage point. I don't really understand why they haven't upgraded their rotation or bullpen, nor is it clear why a low-upside Markakis reunion was the preferred option in right field. I think their offseason has been weak and fans are right to be irritated.
So.........those of us who are irritated probably aren't wrong.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 5, 2019 20:25:46 GMT -5
MLB trade rumors chat: Jeff 3:36 Just what in the Hell are the Braves doing? Steve Adams 3:36 Not nearly enough, from my vantage point. I don't really understand why they haven't upgraded their rotation or bullpen, nor is it clear why a low-upside Markakis reunion was the preferred option in right field. I think their offseason has been weak and fans are right to be irritated. So.........those of us who are irritated probably aren't wrong. If podcast guys and trade rumors guys agree with you, you must be right.
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Post by keystone61 on Mar 5, 2019 20:44:43 GMT -5
MLB trade rumors chat: Jeff 3:36 Just what in the Hell are the Braves doing? Steve Adams 3:36 Not nearly enough, from my vantage point. I don't really understand why they haven't upgraded their rotation or bullpen, nor is it clear why a low-upside Markakis reunion was the preferred option in right field. I think their offseason has been weak and fans are right to be irritated. So.........those of us who are irritated probably aren't wrong. If podcast guys and trade rumors guys agree with you, you must be right. Honestly, you don't? Really? You truly believe the Braves have done enough? I just don't see it. It looks to me like the Braves are gonna have to be awfully lucky with a LOT of young guys, especially pitchers. Seems like a longshot to me. Although at the same time, there isn't a big supply of TOR type starters. I just hope it works out. But again, it's the Markakis deal that wiil always irk the hell outta me. That was just an inexplicable move to me. Weak.
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Post by brady2705 on Mar 5, 2019 20:59:11 GMT -5
I wish we traded for Renfroe. I wish we still would. With Myers going back to LF thanks to Machado owning 3B, they have absolutely no room for him. We can drop Duvall and have Neck be our lefty bench bat & 4th OF.
1. CF (L) Inciarte 2. LF (R) Acuna 3. 1B (L) Freeman 4. 3B (R) Donaldson 5. RF (R) Renfroe 6. C (Pl) McCann/Flowers 7. 2B (S) Albies 8. SS (R) Swanson
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 5, 2019 21:00:38 GMT -5
If podcast guys and trade rumors guys agree with you, you must be right. Honestly, you don't? Really? You truly believe the Braves have done enough? I just don't see it. It looks to me like the Braves are gonna have to be awfully lucky with a LOT of young guys, especially pitchers. Seems like a longshot to me. Although at the same time, there isn't a big supply of TOR type starters. I just hope it works out. But again, it's the Markakis deal that wiil always irk the hell outta me. That was just an inexplicable move to me. Weak. Well, I've said it at least 100 times, and this is literally the last time I'm going to say it--I don't think the right player(s) have been options at what the Braves consider reasonable prices/prospects to give up for them. It's not that I think they've done enough, it's that I have not liked what it has taken to get certain players and I'm glad we didn't make those moves. Kyle Wright looked freaking major league ready today, and Pache is going to be really good, but most people here would have trade Wright and Pache and Touki for two years of JTR and thought it was a great idea.
I hate the Nick signing too, I guarantee as much as anyone, but I have yet to see a reasonable/sensible proposal on who we should have signed or traded for instead. You can say Marwin Gonazalez, and I'm just going to disagree again about it being a player we would want. 28 teams besides us passed on him, including the Astros, and there's a really good reason why. As I've said, I would have rather just played Camargo or Riley in RF and not even sign Nick, and I have not seen a better idea that sounded sensible to me.
We can all just agree to disagree on what each of us thinks would be sensible or reasonable moves.
The end! I'm out on this discussion! Peace and goodwill towards all men, be fruitful and multiple, stop and smell the roses, never play leapfrog with a unicorn, and all that kind of stuff!
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 5, 2019 21:19:34 GMT -5
Sobotka looks like a dum dum throwing ding bat pitches to Judge. And not sure about Biddle. Ability, maybe but man cannot throw dum dum pitches to the best hitters in the game You know it's spring training where the main goal is to get into shape for the season and work on things. Plus it's sort of unbelievable I know, but good pitchers can have bad days. You are so bizzarely insane that half the time I still think it's all an act, but the idea that this stuff really does make you miserable makes it all seem worthwhile.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 7:03:00 GMT -5
As for reasonable moves, it would not be cost prohibitive to look at guys like Yovanni Gallardo, Chris Tilman and James Shields for the rotation
And for the pen there is Jim Johnson and Blaine Boyer left out there
And they do not cost a draft pick in compensation
One useful reliever that is still out there is Tony Sipp, I am surprised no one has signed him for a year
Of course these names are mentioned in case some guys are not ready for the opener and these kids look like they are still lost in Kindergarten.
This is the yr they need to get something from these so called prospects, its time for guys like Luis Gohara (and I give him credit for getting in shape) to get it done. This is trial year 3 now, either step up and man up or take a seat - your number has expired
Next!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 7:06:00 GMT -5
Sobotka looks like a dum dum throwing ding bat pitches to Judge. And not sure about Biddle. Ability, maybe but man cannot throw dum dum pitches to the best hitters in the game You know it's spring training where the main goal is to get into shape for the season and work on things. Plus it's sort of unbelievable I know, but good pitchers can have bad days. You are so bizzarely insane that half the time I still think it's all an act, but the idea that this stuff really does make you miserable makes it all seem worthwhile. Now, that was funny. Like the humor. Hell, I can handle it ST or not, against the hated NYY to me its a must win game -- and when good pitchers have bad days they deserve to be Booed just like the Boss should yell at employees when they screw up Been on both sides of that one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 7:14:17 GMT -5
For the money can't see why the Nick sign is hated, its only for one yr and the dollars were reasonable that if there is a need, he could be moved during the season to make way for a kid like Pache, Waters or even maybe Riley (who needs a bit more seasoning)
We knew we would not get a Harper and some of these other guys got overpaid in this market
Would you have preferred Adam Jones? Don't know what he is going to do at this point?
Would Marwin Gonzalez be that much as upgrade over Nick who has not really been a bad player in his time here
My thinking in the anti-Nick parade is that people (at least on this fourm and on the old board) felt (and fairly so) that he was grossly overpaid for 4 yrs
As a bridge player we could do worse, he will have a 1.5 to 1.8 WAR and get on base and play servicable non embarrassing OF for now - Not bad for the dough
And he brings value that is not measured in the WAR. I will take his OBP, doubles and RBIs till something better is developed
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Post by littlebeast1 on Mar 6, 2019 12:25:54 GMT -5
If podcast guys and trade rumors guys agree with you, you must be right. Honestly, you don't? Really? You truly believe the Braves have done enough? I just don't see it. It looks to me like the Braves are gonna have to be awfully lucky with a LOT of young guys, especially pitchers. Seems like a longshot to me. Although at the same time, there isn't a big supply of TOR type starters. I just hope it works out. But again, it's the Markakis deal that wiil always irk the hell outta me. That was just an inexplicable move to me. Weak. I think there are a fair number of fans on here that are OK with the Braves potentially punting this season if it means keeping the future in tact. I understand that philosophy. There are young guys who we need to still see what kind of impact they can make. Like Kyle Wright. He certainly looked like a TOR guy the other day.
The future could be very bright and the present could be good as well - if everything falls into place again like last season. However, we all know sports ... the chances of that are virtually nil.
This is the hand we've been dealt. As fans, we just have to hope for the best. This is still a young, energetic and fun-to-watch team, and they should battle every night. If we fall short in the end, but the signs of potential dominance for 2020 and beyond are there ... I can live with that.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 6, 2019 13:06:45 GMT -5
Honestly, you don't? Really? You truly believe the Braves have done enough? I just don't see it. It looks to me like the Braves are gonna have to be awfully lucky with a LOT of young guys, especially pitchers. Seems like a longshot to me. Although at the same time, there isn't a big supply of TOR type starters. I just hope it works out. But again, it's the Markakis deal that wiil always irk the hell outta me. That was just an inexplicable move to me. Weak. I think there are a fair number of fans on here that are OK with the Braves potentially punting this season if it means keeping the future in tact. I understand that philosophy. There are young guys who we need to still see what kind of impact they can make. Like Kyle Wright. He certainly looked like a TOR guy the other day.
The future could be very bright and the present could be good as well - if everything falls into place again like last season. However, we all know sports ... the chances of that are virtually nil.
This is the hand we've been dealt. As fans, we just have to hope for the best. This is still a young, energetic and fun-to-watch team, and they should battle every night. If we fall short in the end, but the signs of potential dominance for 2020 and beyond are there ... I can live with that.
Personally I don't feel like we're punting. We still have a really good team, I still think we're better than anybody in the division right now. And we've got the whole season to continue to pursue trades. I really like the idea of evaluating these young players some more as well. Just because nobody is stepping up to be a Nola already, it doesn't mean some of these guys still don't have the potential to be that good. Before last season 80% or more of the people here thought we should move Folty, and look at how he blossomed last year. We have at least 2-3 more guys that can do that too.
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Post by keystone61 on Mar 6, 2019 13:24:35 GMT -5
Honestly, you don't? Really? You truly believe the Braves have done enough? I just don't see it. It looks to me like the Braves are gonna have to be awfully lucky with a LOT of young guys, especially pitchers. Seems like a longshot to me. Although at the same time, there isn't a big supply of TOR type starters. I just hope it works out. But again, it's the Markakis deal that wiil always irk the hell outta me. That was just an inexplicable move to me. Weak. I think there are a fair number of fans on here that are OK with the Braves potentially punting this season if it means keeping the future in tact. I understand that philosophy. There are young guys who we need to still see what kind of impact they can make. Like Kyle Wright. He certainly looked like a TOR guy the other day.
The future could be very bright and the present could be good as well - if everything falls into place again like last season. However, we all know sports ... the chances of that are virtually nil.
This is the hand we've been dealt. As fans, we just have to hope for the best. This is still a young, energetic and fun-to-watch team, and they should battle every night. If we fall short in the end, but the signs of potential dominance for 2020 and beyond are there ... I can live with that.
Yeah, I can too, but it's asking a lot for practically ALL of our position guys to pan out. I haven't seen Pache. Did he look like a big leaguer at the plate? I saw the great catch. He has a strong build, too, so I can understand the power potential that everyone talks about with him.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Mar 6, 2019 13:30:56 GMT -5
I think there are a fair number of fans on here that are OK with the Braves potentially punting this season if it means keeping the future in tact. I understand that philosophy. There are young guys who we need to still see what kind of impact they can make. Like Kyle Wright. He certainly looked like a TOR guy the other day.
The future could be very bright and the present could be good as well - if everything falls into place again like last season. However, we all know sports ... the chances of that are virtually nil.
This is the hand we've been dealt. As fans, we just have to hope for the best. This is still a young, energetic and fun-to-watch team, and they should battle every night. If we fall short in the end, but the signs of potential dominance for 2020 and beyond are there ... I can live with that.
Personally I don't feel like we're punting. We still have a really good team, I still think we're better than anybody in the division right now. And we've got the whole season to continue to pursue trades. I really like the idea of evaluating these young players some more as well. Just because nobody is stepping up to be a Nola already, it doesn't mean some of these guys still don't have the potential to be that good. Before last season 80% or more of the people here thought we should move Folty, and look at how he blossomed last year. We have at least 2-3 more guys that can do that too. I haven't seen anything that really makes me think we are deviating from our long term plan on how to be consistently competitive. In the next couple of years I expect to see us with a lineup that has Acuna and Pache in the outfield, Freddie, Ozzie, Riley, and Swansamargo in the infield, Wright, Touki, Folty, Newk, and a host of other young good pitchers on the mound. I struggle to get upset about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 14:37:18 GMT -5
If the Braves get off to a good start 30 games in that will help calm the agnst.
If they start off say - 12-18 or around that than the ire is justified
Some of these prospects have to start clicking at some point, the baby bottling has to end sometime. Either they can win or they can't
Its gone on long enough for some of these guys.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 14:42:29 GMT -5
I haven't seen anything that really makes me think we are deviating from our long term plan on how to be consistently competitive. In the next couple of years I expect to see us with a lineup that has Acuna and Pache in the outfield, Freddie, Ozzie, Riley, and Swansamargo in the infield, Wright, Touki, Folty, Newk, and a host of other young good pitchers on the mound. I struggle to get upset about it. Guess you can add Waters to that mix too. Camargo can be out own version of what Marwin was to the Astros. Be interesting to see if Culberson continues off last yr Its a fair question what will be done with Freeman if the team slips back this yr -- he has only two yrs left after this yr and he is hitting 30 Anyone in the system that projects as a first baseman? I am assuming they might consider moving Freddie to get younger and cheaper at first
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