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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 3, 2019 16:43:51 GMT -5
Nothing, primarily because he hasn't DONE anything. All he's done is TALK about why he hasn't done anything. Like I said, I'm sure he's sick of it, too. You know, there's a reason why guys like Chris Sale and Madison Bumgarner make postseason headlines. It's because they're damn good. You don't find guys like that in the bargain bin. I know that. I'm just wondering what people expect AA to say. I'm not sick of it because I know why he has to say what he's saying. There are no easy answers, at least, there aren't any answers that people are going to accept, so he just has to keep repeating what he's been saying. I suppose he could say, "Look, we wanted to spend money this year, but we can't afford to spend stupid money. We don't have an unlimited payroll. So, while we can shop down any aisle, we have to make deals that work for our franchise for today, next year, three years from now, and seven years from now. And the same goes for our trades. We have a lot of really good young players, who we think will be able to contribute to the Major League roster, sooner rather than later. We're excited about what they can do. We don't want to see the fruit of their development being enjoyed on other teams. We like what we have. Like I said, if opportunities arise where we believe we can make the team better, today and for the future, we will make it happen. Until then, we ask the fans to be patient. We hear you and if there is one thing I'd say to them it's that we're not looking to build a one-hit wonder. We're working hard every day to build a dynasty." Get outta here with that crazy talk!!!
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Mar 3, 2019 16:50:17 GMT -5
I know that. I'm just wondering what people expect AA to say. I'm not sick of it because I know why he has to say what he's saying. There are no easy answers, at least, there aren't any answers that people are going to accept, so he just has to keep repeating what he's been saying. I suppose he could say, "Look, we wanted to spend money this year, but we can't afford to spend stupid money. We don't have an unlimited payroll. So, while we can shop down any aisle, we have to make deals that work for our franchise for today, next year, three years from now, and seven years from now. And the same goes for our trades. We have a lot of really good young players, who we think will be able to contribute to the Major League roster, sooner rather than later. We're excited about what they can do. We don't want to see the fruit of their development being enjoyed on other teams. We like what we have. Like I said, if opportunities arise where we believe we can make the team better, today and for the future, we will make it happen. Until then, we ask the fans to be patient. We hear you and if there is one thing I'd say to them it's that we're not looking to build a one-hit wonder. We're working hard every day to build a dynasty." Get outta here with that crazy talk!!! And this is why I can't be a GM. I'm too honest.
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Post by keystone61 on Mar 3, 2019 17:08:44 GMT -5
I'd rather hear him say that we want to see how these kids develop, but at the same time, we feel like we can win big now, so we will spend what is necessary on short-term free agent deals to make that happen. We could have had McCutcheon or Grandal. We could still probably have Keuchel, but we ain't doing jackshlt.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 3, 2019 17:24:19 GMT -5
I'd rather hear him say that we want to see how these kids develop, but at the same time, we feel like we can win big now, so we will spend what is necessary on short-term free agent deals to make that happen. We could have had McCutcheon or Grandal. We could still probably have Keuchel, but we ain't doing jackshlt. I'd like to have had both of those guys, but $18.25M for one year of Grandal is nuts, and I wouldn't pay $50M for 3 years (with an option for a 4th year) of McCutchen at this point, that seems absurd.
And to get them we would have had to have gone even higher than that.
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Post by keystone61 on Mar 3, 2019 19:09:41 GMT -5
I'd rather hear him say that we want to see how these kids develop, but at the same time, we feel like we can win big now, so we will spend what is necessary on short-term free agent deals to make that happen. We could have had McCutcheon or Grandal. We could still probably have Keuchel, but we ain't doing jackshlt. I'd like to have had both of those guys, but $18.25M for one year of Grandal is nuts, and I wouldn't pay $50M for 3 years (with an option for a 4th year) of McCutchen at this point, that seems absurd.
And to get them we would have had to have gone even higher than that.
And therein lies the problem with the thinking in this organization. It's not 1995 anymore. Prices have gone up. You either wanna be in the game or you don't; and obviously, the Braves don't.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 3, 2019 19:30:18 GMT -5
I'd like to have had both of those guys, but $18.25M for one year of Grandal is nuts, and I wouldn't pay $50M for 3 years (with an option for a 4th year) of McCutchen at this point, that seems absurd.
And to get them we would have had to have gone even higher than that.
And therein lies the problem with the thinking in this organization. It's not 1995 anymore. Prices have gone up. You either wanna be in the game or you don't; and obviously, the Braves don't. I don't agree, but as we've agreed, we're all fine having different opinions.
To me there's a point where you have to draw a line about what's sensible. I don't think the risk we took on Donaldson was sensible. So now that that hurt our spending capabilities for the year, we should say screw that and double down on more poor financial risks? That's how we got into a rebuild in the first place. I don't want to do that again this quickly.
And I do think we have to realize we have a lot of young talent we need to try to lock up for at least 5-6 years, so we can't go so far overboard now that we limit our ability to sign guys like Acuna, Ozzie, Folty and maybe Camargo and Newk...or Dansy if he surprises us.....and even Pache and Riley could be guys we'll want to lock up too, as well as a handful of these really good pitching prospects we have. I think there's a lot more to this than just saying "let's go for it" or the Braves don't want to play with the big boys.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Mar 3, 2019 19:33:02 GMT -5
I'd rather hear him say that we want to see how these kids develop, but at the same time, we feel like we can win big now, so we will spend what is necessary on short-term free agent deals to make that happen. We could have had McCutcheon or Grandal. We could still probably have Keuchel, but we ain't doing jackshlt. Who says they didn't? Free agency is a two-way street. The player has to want to play for the Braves in order for the Braves to sign them. Also, I read that the Braves' offer for Michael Brantley was very close to what the Astros offered, but HE CHOSE them. I like the idea that the Braves can shop down any aisle, but the deals have to make sense and the players have to want to play for the Braves. Just because the Braves didn't get either of the guys you mentioned doesn't mean they didn't try, and it doesn't mean that somehow it's their fault that it didn't happen. Does that make sense?
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Mar 3, 2019 19:37:22 GMT -5
I'd like to have had both of those guys, but $18.25M for one year of Grandal is nuts, and I wouldn't pay $50M for 3 years (with an option for a 4th year) of McCutchen at this point, that seems absurd.
And to get them we would have had to have gone even higher than that.
And therein lies the problem with the thinking in this organization. It's not 1995 anymore. Prices have gone up. You either wanna be in the game or you don't; and obviously, the Braves don't. For some reason you think there's this endless money supply and LM just won't open up the purse strings. That purse doesn't exist, and the sooner you let that go, the better you and everyone else here will be. The Braves are a mid-market team that can only spend what they make. This is reality and has been. You can bitch and moan until the cows come home, but it doesn't change this reality. You wanna see LM spend money to improve the team, but bitching about it here isn't gonna make them do it, not that they could anyways. All it's gonna do is annoy anyone who has to hear it incessantly, and let me tell you it already does.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Mar 3, 2019 19:46:18 GMT -5
And therein lies the problem with the thinking in this organization. It's not 1995 anymore. Prices have gone up. You either wanna be in the game or you don't; and obviously, the Braves don't. I don't agree, but as we've agreed, we're all fine having different opinions.
To me there's a point where you have to draw a line about what's sensible. I don't think the risk we took on Donaldson was sensible. So now that that hurt our spending capabilities for the year, we should say screw that and double down on more poor financial risks? That's how we got into a rebuild in the first place. I don't want to do that again this quickly.
And I do think we have to realize we have a lot of young talent we need to try to lock up for at least 5-6 years, so we can't go so far overboard now that we limit our ability to sign guys like Acuna, Ozzie, Folty and maybe Camargo and Newk...or Dansy if he surprises us.....and even Pache and Riley could be guys we'll want to lock up too, as well as a handful of these really good pitching prospects we have. I think there's a lot more to this than just saying "let's go for it" or the Braves don't want to play with the big boys.
"Let's go for it" and everything else like it is such a non-starter for me. It's taking a complex situation and trying to simplify it. It's not reality.
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Post by keystone61 on Mar 3, 2019 20:23:33 GMT -5
And therein lies the problem with the thinking in this organization. It's not 1995 anymore. Prices have gone up. You either wanna be in the game or you don't; and obviously, the Braves don't. For some reason you think there's this endless money supply and LM just won't open up the purse strings. That purse doesn't exist, and the sooner you let that go, the better you and everyone else here will be. The Braves are a mid-market team that can only spend what they make. This is reality and has been. You can bitch and moan until the cows come home, but it doesn't change this reality. You wanna see LM spend money to improve the team, but bitching about it here isn't gonna make them do it, not that they could anyways. All it's gonna do is annoy anyone who has to hear it incessantly, and let me tell you it already does. Actually, I don't think that at all. I understand the market aspects of it, which means I understand that guys like Acuna, GAPOZ, Camargo, Newcomb, Swanson, etc are minimum wage players who don't have to be paid for a while. That's why I said SHORT-TERM contracts. What I'd like to have is another egotistical billionaire owner who wants to win for the sake of winning. It's not just the Braves, either. What happened to colorful owners like Steinbrenner, Finley, and Turner? All the fun has been sucked out of the game in the name of analytics and business. It sucks.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 3, 2019 20:38:16 GMT -5
For some reason you think there's this endless money supply and LM just won't open up the purse strings. That purse doesn't exist, and the sooner you let that go, the better you and everyone else here will be. The Braves are a mid-market team that can only spend what they make. This is reality and has been. You can bitch and moan until the cows come home, but it doesn't change this reality. You wanna see LM spend money to improve the team, but bitching about it here isn't gonna make them do it, not that they could anyways. All it's gonna do is annoy anyone who has to hear it incessantly, and let me tell you it already does. Actually, I don't think that at all. I understand the market aspects of it, which means I understand that guys like Acuna, GAPOZ, Camargo, Newcomb, Swanson, etc are minimum wage players who don't have to be paid for a while. That's why I said SHORT-TERM contracts. What I'd like to have is another egotistical billionaire owner who wants to win for the sake of winning. It's not just the Braves, either. What happened to colorful owners like Steinbrenner, Finley, and Turner? All the fun has been sucked out of the game in the name of analytics and business. It sucks. What's the fun in spending crazy money in hopes of buying a championship?
It almost never works anyway.
I just saw a write up the other day showing how poorly these big money teams historically do in reality, I'll have to try to dig that up.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Mar 3, 2019 20:48:18 GMT -5
I also think it would be a bad idea to wait very long on a couple of our guys, especially Acuna, before we offer them some 5-6 years deals. The longer you wait the better the chance your'e going to end up losing them to free agency.
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Post by keystone61 on Mar 3, 2019 21:05:44 GMT -5
Actually, I don't think that at all. I understand the market aspects of it, which means I understand that guys like Acuna, GAPOZ, Camargo, Newcomb, Swanson, etc are minimum wage players who don't have to be paid for a while. That's why I said SHORT-TERM contracts. What I'd like to have is another egotistical billionaire owner who wants to win for the sake of winning. It's not just the Braves, either. What happened to colorful owners like Steinbrenner, Finley, and Turner? All the fun has been sucked out of the game in the name of analytics and business. It sucks. What's the fun in spending crazy money in hopes of buying a championship?
It almost never works anyway.
I just saw a write up the other day showing how poorly these big money teams historically do in reality, I'll have to try to dig that up.
I really don't think a $50 million dollar 3 year contract is crazy money in this day and time. I wanted Marwin Gonzalez, who could have been had for far less than that, and I'm betting would have preferred Atlanta over Minnesota, but no, we re-signed Nick in spite of the fact that Gonzalez is younger and a much more useful player. Why? Because he was cheap. It's not the crazy money deals that bug me, it's deals like that which chap my ass.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Mar 3, 2019 21:08:35 GMT -5
For some reason you think there's this endless money supply and LM just won't open up the purse strings. That purse doesn't exist, and the sooner you let that go, the better you and everyone else here will be. The Braves are a mid-market team that can only spend what they make. This is reality and has been. You can bitch and moan until the cows come home, but it doesn't change this reality. You wanna see LM spend money to improve the team, but bitching about it here isn't gonna make them do it, not that they could anyways. All it's gonna do is annoy anyone who has to hear it incessantly, and let me tell you it already does. Actually, I don't think that at all. I understand the market aspects of it, which means I understand that guys like Acuna, GAPOZ, Camargo, Newcomb, Swanson, etc are minimum wage players who don't have to be paid for a while. That's why I said SHORT-TERM contracts. What I'd like to have is another egotistical billionaire owner who wants to win for the sake of winning. It's not just the Braves, either. What happened to colorful owners like Steinbrenner, Finley, and Turner? All the fun has been sucked out of the game in the name of analytics and business. It sucks. Sure, there’s a lot of things I’d like, but you don’t see me complaining about it every chance I get. At a certain point it can’t be “I wish the Braves had a new owner” and we start dealing with reality and talk about how the Braves can build a winner under this reality.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Mar 3, 2019 21:09:56 GMT -5
What's the fun in spending crazy money in hopes of buying a championship?
It almost never works anyway.
I just saw a write up the other day showing how poorly these big money teams historically do in reality, I'll have to try to dig that up.
I really don't think a $50 million dollar 3 year contract is crazy money in this day and time. I wanted Marwin Gonzalez, who could have been had for far less than that, and I'm betting would have preferred Atlanta over Minnesota, but no, we re-signed Nick in spite of the fact that Gonzalez is younger and a much more useful player. Why? Because he was cheap. It's not the crazy money deals that bug me, it's deals like that which chap my ass. Why pay $50 million for a guy who can play almost anywhere when you have a guy in house you’d like to take on that role and you only have to pay them league minimum?
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