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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 3, 2019 9:47:51 GMT -5
There’s been plenty of news and thrills concerning JTR, they just said right there there’s been “twists and turns!” It’s been more exciting than a rollercoaster! Any time there’s twists and turns in rumors that’s just mega awesome!
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 3, 2019 9:52:14 GMT -5
I’m starting to kind of fear the Marlins aren’t going to trade him before the season starts and we’re going to have this aggravation all the way through the trade deadline. I’m at a point now where I just wish they’d trade him to someone else. The word was they wanted one of our position players. If it was Dansby I’m ok with it, but I will be sick if it’s Riley or Camargo. And I see Camargo as the most likely by far.
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Post by jryanw on Feb 3, 2019 10:39:52 GMT -5
The perfect JTR trade imho is Inciarte, Bryce Wilson and flowers. They get a good everyday player a top 100 prospect and a great defensive catcher for their young pitching staff. Then we either call up Pache or put Camargo in LF and Acuna in CF. The reported offer from the reds is Jon India(this years 5th overall pick), Tucker Barnett and a 2nd level prospect. The offer I have proposed beats this reds offer.
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Post by keystone61 on Feb 3, 2019 10:40:05 GMT -5
I’m starting to kind of fear the Marlins aren’t going to trade him before the season starts and we’re going to have this aggravation all the way through the trade deadline. I’m at a point now where I just wish they’d trade him to someone else. The word was they wanted one of our position players. If it was Dansby I’m ok with it, but I will be sick if it’s Riley or Camargo. And I see Camargo as the most likely by far. The Marlins have done him no favors with the way they've dragged this out. I'm beginning to dislike the player just because of the endless speculation. If you send Camargo, you'd need to sign Marwin Gonzalez, too.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 3, 2019 10:52:21 GMT -5
I’m starting to kind of fear the Marlins aren’t going to trade him before the season starts and we’re going to have this aggravation all the way through the trade deadline. I’m at a point now where I just wish they’d trade him to someone else. The word was they wanted one of our position players. If it was Dansby I’m ok with it, but I will be sick if it’s Riley or Camargo. And I see Camargo as the most likely by far. The Marlins have done him no favors with the way they've dragged this out. I'm beginning to dislike the player just because of the endless speculation. If you send Camargo, you'd need to sign Marwin Gonzalez, too. I know the feeling, I have to fight holding against JTR. I could see signing Gonzalez if they traded Camargo, but you only have to spend a minute looking at Gonzalez whole career to see why he hasn’t been signed yet. He had one great season and the rest has been poop. He’s had almost four times as many PAs as Camargo and only has a career WAR of 7.8 compared to Camargo’s 5 career WAR. Aside from his 4.0 WAR season Gonzalez next highest WAR has been 1.6.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Feb 3, 2019 11:29:33 GMT -5
Twists and turns?
What about loops? Have there been any "thrown for a loop"'s??
Shiznit don't get real until something gets turned upside down.
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Post by jryanw on Feb 3, 2019 11:34:28 GMT -5
I’m starting to kind of fear the Marlins aren’t going to trade him before the season starts and we’re going to have this aggravation all the way through the trade deadline. I’m at a point now where I just wish they’d trade him to someone else. The word was they wanted one of our position players. If it was Dansby I’m ok with it, but I will be sick if it’s Riley or Camargo. And I see Camargo as the most likely by far. The Marlins have done him no favors with the way they've dragged this out. I'm beginning to dislike the player just because of the endless speculation. If you send Camargo, you'd need to sign Marwin Gonzalez, too. Gross. Gonzalez sucks. His only value is playing multiple positions. He can't hit.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Feb 3, 2019 12:49:34 GMT -5
The perfect JTR trade imho is Inciarte, Bryce Wilson and flowers. They get a good everyday player a top 100 prospect and a great defensive catcher for their young pitching staff. Then we either call up Pache or put Camargo in LF and Acuna in CF. The reported offer from the reds is Jon India(this years 5th overall pick), Tucker Barnett and a 2nd level prospect. The offer I have proposed beats this reds offer. I think the best deal is Swanson, AJax, and that’s it. Also, Inciarte is worth more than JTR by himself.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 3, 2019 13:03:07 GMT -5
The perfect JTR trade imho is Inciarte, Bryce Wilson and flowers. They get a good everyday player a top 100 prospect and a great defensive catcher for their young pitching staff. Then we either call up Pache or put Camargo in LF and Acuna in CF. The reported offer from the reds is Jon India(this years 5th overall pick), Tucker Barnett and a 2nd level prospect. The offer I have proposed beats this reds offer. I think the best deal is Swanson, AJax, and that’s it. Also, Inciarte is worth more than JTR by himself.I assume that's surplus value thinking, which in this case is crazy talk. I'd gladly trade those two straight up even with us only getting two years guaranteed on JTR.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Feb 3, 2019 13:41:46 GMT -5
I think the best deal is Swanson, AJax, and that’s it. Also, Inciarte is worth more than JTR by himself.I assume that's surplus value thinking, which in this case is crazy talk. I'd gladly trade those two straight up even with us only getting two years guaranteed on JTR. It is surplus, and if you did that deal you'd be throwing away money. Inciarte could garner a whole lot more in a trade than JTR. Plus, by moving Acuna to CF you'd be hurting his value. Surplus value is the way GM's are thinking nowadays. It would be foolhardy to think of trades with any other filter. Also, think back to how many times people complained about Acuna's LF defense. You think it's gonna somehow improve moving to CF? To add to that, if people complained about Acuna's LF defense, imagine how much worse Camargo's defense will be.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Feb 3, 2019 15:30:55 GMT -5
Inciarte could garner a whole lot more in a trade than JTR.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Feb 3, 2019 15:37:18 GMT -5
Inciarte could garner a whole lot more in a trade than JTR. You disagree? Someone needs to learn what surplus value is.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 3, 2019 16:42:50 GMT -5
I assume that's surplus value thinking, which in this case is crazy talk. I'd gladly trade those two straight up even with us only getting two years guaranteed on JTR. It is surplus, and if you did that deal you'd be throwing away money. Inciarte could garner a whole lot more in a trade than JTR. Plus, by moving Acuna to CF you'd be hurting his value. Surplus value is the way GM's are thinking nowadays. It would be foolhardy to think of trades with any other filter. Also, think back to how many times people complained about Acuna's LF defense. You think it's gonna somehow improve moving to CF? To add to that, if people complained about Acuna's LF defense, imagine how much worse Camargo's defense will be. Acuna is 20 years old. He has a ton of athletic talent, I think it's completely fair to assume he's going to improve. And we haven't seen Camargo play the OF yet so none of us have a clue one way or the other. He's also athletic so I expect him to be average at worst. He's not fleet footed but an OFer can make up for that by getting good jumps and good reads.
If we could trade Inciarte straight up for JTR I'd do it in a heartbeat and take my chances on our two young athletes in the OF. The guy to worry about is grandpa in RF. We already know what we have there defensively, and it ain't good no sir.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Feb 3, 2019 16:44:53 GMT -5
You disagree? Someone needs to learn what surplus value is. I know you've cited a few trades as proof that surplus value is the method teams are using, but is it really very universal? I feel like most trades aren't lined up that way these days. I could be totally wrong, I admit, but I'd like to see GMs talking about it and proof that this is how most deals get done now.
I do know that both Acuna and Camargo are better overall baseball players than Inciarte, and so is JTR. Their WARS have to count for something in that surplus value stuff if I remember correctly.
Inciarte is on average a 2.6 WAR player per year.
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Post by mauibravefan on Feb 3, 2019 17:00:32 GMT -5
Not sure surplus value brings fans to park, think a lot of folks come to see home boys like Swanson whether they always succeed or not
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