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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2018 17:19:35 GMT -5
All the available information shows proof that Camargo is blowing Dansby's doors off.
You're right in saying that no one in the organization has openly indicated Dansby isn't the future starting SS, but if he and Camargo finish this season on the pace they are both on, and Riley is ready at 3B next year and Dansby starts at SS and Camargo becomes a utility player, it will be as dumb a decision as I've ever seen as a sports fan for over 50 years. I can't believe our management would be that stupid. If Dansby picks it up offensively the rest of the way this year and/or Camargo falters, my opinion on the whole matter could change. But I see no reason at this point to believe anything is going to be significantly different the rest of the way this year for either one of them.
Like I said, when it's confirmed that Camargo will be the starting SS moving forward, I'll adjust the lineup. Until then, it has to be assumed that Swanson is the starter. Dansby is starting at SS tonight, so you are winning so far.
But if Riley is ready or we add a good solid 3B, the Dansby situation will get quite interesting.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 31, 2018 17:30:53 GMT -5
Like I said, when it's confirmed that Camargo will be the starting SS moving forward, I'll adjust the lineup. Until then, it has to be assumed that Swanson is the starter. Dansby is starting at SS tonight, so you are winning so far.
But if Riley is ready or we add a good solid 3B, the Dansby situation will get quite interesting.
I agree. I envision things becoming clearer this off-season, or at the very latest ST. Like I said before, though, this list is fluid, so it will be changing as things become clearer. For instance, I have Teheran in the rotation and IMO I don’t think he’ll be on the Braves OD.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2018 18:04:21 GMT -5
Dansby is starting at SS tonight, so you are winning so far.
But if Riley is ready or we add a good solid 3B, the Dansby situation will get quite interesting.
I agree. I envision things becoming clearer this off-season, or at the very latest ST. Like I said before, though, this list is fluid, so it will be changing as things become clearer. For instance, I have Teheran in the rotation and IMO I don’t think he’ll be on the Braves OD. I'm going to hurt somebody if Julio is on or 2019 roster.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 31, 2018 18:23:34 GMT -5
I agree. I envision things becoming clearer this off-season, or at the very latest ST. Like I said before, though, this list is fluid, so it will be changing as things become clearer. For instance, I have Teheran in the rotation and IMO I don’t think he’ll be on the Braves OD. I'm going to hurt somebody if Julio is on or 2019 roster. If my life depended on it... Folty Newk Gausman Soroka Fried Touki or Allard as the 6th man, but I believe in the potential of a big trade happening this off-season. It’ll happen in one of two ways. 1.) Braves aren’t able to fill a position via Free Agency. 2.) Braves look to offensively upgrade SS or CF.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2018 18:33:06 GMT -5
I'm going to hurt somebody if Julio is on or 2019 roster. If my life depended on it... Folty Newk Gausman Soroka Fried Touki or Allard as the 6th man, but I believe in the potential of a big trade happening this off-season. It’ll happen in one of two ways. 1.) Braves aren’t able to fill a position via Free Agency. 2.) Braves look to offensively upgrade SS or CF. We have the SS upgrade in house already. We need to add 3B and a really good OFer in my opinion. With Riley possibly being the 3B. I'd be more than fine with adding a real good OF and Riley and Camargo on the left side of our infield on opening day. Camargo's numbers would work great at SS and he's excellent defensively. his wRC+ is 114 this year, compared to all SS in MLB he would be one point being Chris Taylor (115) for 7th best among all SS. Johan's wRC+ is 108 over the last two seasons combined, which puts him right in a pack of four other guys fighting for 7th best during that period among all SS in baseball. And he has to be top 5 to top 10 with the glove as well.
I'm really pulling for Allard to be ready, that would be fantastic.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 31, 2018 18:51:39 GMT -5
If my life depended on it... Folty Newk Gausman Soroka Fried Touki or Allard as the 6th man, but I believe in the potential of a big trade happening this off-season. It’ll happen in one of two ways. 1.) Braves aren’t able to fill a position via Free Agency. 2.) Braves look to offensively upgrade SS or CF. We have the SS upgrade in house already. We need to add 3B and a really good OFer in my opinion. With Riley possibly being the 3B. I'd be more than fine with adding a real good OF and Riley and Camargo on the left side of our infield on opening day. Camargo's numbers would work great at SS and he's excellent defensively. his wRC+ is 114 this year, compared to all SS in MLB he would be one point being Chris Taylor (115) for 7th best among all SS. Johan's wRC+ is 108 over the last two seasons combined, which puts him right in a pack of four other guys fighting for 7th best during that period among all SS in baseball. And he has to be top 5 to top 10 with the glove as well.
I'm really pulling for Allard to be ready, that would be fantastic.
An upgrade at SS could mean an upgrade at 2B and sliding Albies to SS. Going back to if my life depended on it. I think Riley starts the season at 3B, and the Braves go big on an OFer. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see the Braves look to snag an Ace, upgrade CF, or improve the middle of the infield via trade. In fact, I expect one of those three things to happen.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2018 19:05:07 GMT -5
We have the SS upgrade in house already. We need to add 3B and a really good OFer in my opinion. With Riley possibly being the 3B. I'd be more than fine with adding a real good OF and Riley and Camargo on the left side of our infield on opening day. Camargo's numbers would work great at SS and he's excellent defensively. his wRC+ is 114 this year, compared to all SS in MLB he would be one point being Chris Taylor (115) for 7th best among all SS. Johan's wRC+ is 108 over the last two seasons combined, which puts him right in a pack of four other guys fighting for 7th best during that period among all SS in baseball. And he has to be top 5 to top 10 with the glove as well.
I'm really pulling for Allard to be ready, that would be fantastic.
An upgrade at SS could mean an upgrade at 2B and sliding Albies to SS. Going back to if my life depended on it. I think Riley starts the season at 3B, and the Braves go big on an OFer. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see the Braves look to snag an Ace, upgrade CF, or improve the middle of the infield via trade. In fact, I expect one of those three things to happen. Without trading prospects, I don't see how we can upgrade over Camargo as a middle infielder....if you imagine moving Albies to SS and Camargo to 2B (although I see no reason at all to do that). Who would we get without trading prospects that is going to be better??? His numbers play as well at 2B as they do at SS compared to others around all of baseball. One could even argue that yes, we could trade some prospects and do better than Camargo, but why? Is that really necessary?
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 31, 2018 19:05:29 GMT -5
remember I am predicting it first Waters will be up before Pache and will be the better player. he will be starting 2020 I’m on record for Camargo>Swanson for eternity now, and finally people are climbing aboard my bandwagonI nope, I was being called names and told how stupid I was by nightman and Uckery long before anyone else over saying Camargo was better. but at least uckery has come around. Night still loves the flo most i think and still thinks Harper is the 2nd coming of babe ruth lol
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2018 19:13:41 GMT -5
I’m on record for Camargo>Swanson for eternity now, and finally people are climbing aboard my bandwagonI nope, I was being called names and told how stupid I was by nightman and Uckery long before anyone else over saying Camargo was better. but at least uckery has come around. Night still loves the flo most i think and still thinks Harper is the 2nd coming of babe ruth lol In fairness to me, I never ever claimed that Dansby was definitely going to be better than Camargo--my point all along was that a guy should be given some time before judgments are made, and I still stand by that. I said many times I thought Dansby should be given two full years before we start drawing conclusions. And we're at that point now, and he's been the 5th worst hitter in all of baseball over the last two years now. They gave Dansby the job, and I can respect them trying to give him every chance because they believed in him. But I feel we've reached a point where it's time to put our best players out there, period, and that does not include Mr. Dansby right now.
And I'll also point out that two years might not be a fair enough period either. Dansby could prove to be a good hitter some day down the road, there's just no sign of it at all right now.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 31, 2018 19:19:47 GMT -5
well I did read something about him being benched for the rest of this yr Against LH pitching and Camargo playing SS those games. and it also looks like Ender will do the same thing I haven't heard anything on the former, the latter has been confirmed. Do you have anything proving the former? Even if both are true, that doesn't really effect next season as both are for "the rest of this year". it was in a talking chop article called why Adrin beltre is the perfect fit in Atlanta on july 27th is where I read it
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 31, 2018 19:22:54 GMT -5
An upgrade at SS could mean an upgrade at 2B and sliding Albies to SS. Going back to if my life depended on it. I think Riley starts the season at 3B, and the Braves go big on an OFer. Wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see the Braves look to snag an Ace, upgrade CF, or improve the middle of the infield via trade. In fact, I expect one of those three things to happen. Without trading prospects, I don't see how we can upgrade over Camargo as a middle infielder....if you imagine moving Albies to SS and Camargo to 2B (although I see no reason at all to do that). Who would we get without trading prospects that is going to be better??? His numbers play as well at 2B as they do at SS compared to others around all of baseball. One could even argue that yes, we could trade some prospects and do better than Camargo, but why? Is that really necessary? I'm assuming prospects would be traded. The rotation is beginning to round into shape with Folty and Newk taking a step forward, the acquisition of Gausman, and guys like Soroka, Fried, Allard, Touki, Wilson, and Wright right around the corner, or already making contributions. There are still quite a few prospects the Braves could trade and still be legit contenders for the next 5 or 6 years. All I'm saying is that at a certain point pitchers are going to get traded. The Braves have too many, pitching too well. They can't have an 8-man rotation.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Jul 31, 2018 19:25:25 GMT -5
nope, I was being called names and told how stupid I was by nightman and Uckery long before anyone else over saying Camargo was better. but at least uckery has come around. Night still loves the flo most i think and still thinks Harper is the 2nd coming of babe ruth lol In fairness to me, I never ever claimed that Dansby was definitely going to be better than Camargo--my point all along was that a guy should be given some time before judgments are made, and I still stand by that. I said many times I thought Dansby should be given two full years before we start drawing conclusions. And we're at that point now, and he's been the 5th worst hitter in all of baseball over the last two years now. They gave Dansby the job, and I can respect them trying to give him every chance because they believed in him. But I feel we've reached a point where it's time to put our best players out there, period, and that does not include Mr. Dansby right now.
And I'll also point out that two years might not be a fair enough period either. Dansby could prove to be a good hitter some day down the road, there's just no sign of it at all right now.
And Like I said then Dansby may end up a good player but I think Camargo works harder to be better and thus will remain better. the 15lbs of muscle has made a huge difference. I also think Reed should have been given a better look when he was up he should have platooned with Ender. I think the added muscle has made him a better player than he was in Milwaukee .
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2018 19:25:28 GMT -5
Dansby had a good April this year, but since then:
May: .204/.304/.327/.630 June: .238/.267/.455/.722 July: .221/.312/.294/.606
Brutal.
Just look at Culberson's last three months for comparison:
May: .316/.350/.526/.876 June: .301/.346/.493/.839 July: 309/.345/.509/.854
Who should be playing and who should be the utility guy?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jul 31, 2018 19:28:01 GMT -5
Without trading prospects, I don't see how we can upgrade over Camargo as a middle infielder....if you imagine moving Albies to SS and Camargo to 2B (although I see no reason at all to do that). Who would we get without trading prospects that is going to be better??? His numbers play as well at 2B as they do at SS compared to others around all of baseball. One could even argue that yes, we could trade some prospects and do better than Camargo, but why? Is that really necessary? I'm assuming prospects would be traded. The rotation is beginning to round into shape with Folty and Newk taking a step forward, the acquisition of Gausman, and guys like Soroka, Fried, Allard, Touki, Wilson, and Wright right around the corner, or already making contributions. There are still quite a few prospects the Braves could trade and still be legit contenders for the next 5 or 6 years. All I'm saying is that at a certain point pitchers are going to get traded. The Braves have too many, pitching too well. They can't have an 8-man rotation. I agree, hell we HAVE to trade some of these guys, but I think there's several better ways to use them than to try to upgrade Camargo. Mainly OF. And I'm not opposed to moving Ender and even Dansby of course and adding two really good outfielders. Throw in a couple good prospects and we could get a couple of nice players.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jul 31, 2018 19:32:08 GMT -5
I haven't heard anything on the former, the latter has been confirmed. Do you have anything proving the former? Even if both are true, that doesn't really effect next season as both are for "the rest of this year". it was in a talking chop article called why Adrin beltre is the perfect fit in Atlanta on july 27th is where I read it Ya, that dude is just speculating with the idea of what the Braves would do if they got Beltre. Nobody is saying that the Braves should bench Swanson for Camargo against LHP.
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