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Post by brady2705 on May 3, 2018 17:42:27 GMT -5
Do we buy into this??? What he's doing is simply amazing. He's already nearly doubled his WAR from all of 2017 (1.2 vs 0.7), and has matched it from 2015 and 2016 (1.4 and 1.2). With this teams chemistry, if he finishes what he's started, you almost HAVE to bring him back on a 1-2 year deal.
Neck and Suzuki are two of the biggest reasons for our amazing start, as you simply could not forecast them to produce (and in Kurt's case, continue producing) at the levels they have been. Bringing Nick and Suzuki back, perhaps with a McCann 1-year deal, could turn into huge priorities for us this Winter.
I was all for getting Corey Dickerson and shedding Neck whenever Acuna was ready ... But man, despite Dickerson's great start, Neck's been even better!
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Post by bravepap on May 3, 2018 17:47:53 GMT -5
Uh oh.... Big Nick fan, but even I think we need to wait awhile and see what happens....lots of time left, we have some minor leaguers we might want to look at a little closer by August, and even a big offer at the AS break could bring some proactive thought. But in the meantime I'm enjoying what he is doing...as you said, he and Kurt have carried a lot of the load.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 3, 2018 17:49:39 GMT -5
Yeah lets see how the entire year plays out. I'm not making that call based on 30 games.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 3, 2018 18:04:34 GMT -5
I'm enjoying the heck out of what Markakis is doing and I hope he keeps it up.
I still can't believe we can maintain this for a whole lot longer, I hope I'm wrong.
If we keep this up or at least in contention and Nick keeps doing well, I'd be for keeping him at the deadline.
One thing I do feel though for the future is that we don't both Markakis and Inciarte in the same OF.
Nick will turn 35 in the offseason. I just don't know what to think of him for future reference, beyond this season.
Which makes me a sad panda, because this is the first point where I've been really happy with Nick since he came to us. But then his wRC+ was 151 before today, there's a lot to like about that!
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Post by jryanw on May 3, 2018 18:59:42 GMT -5
If he's not moved by the trade deadline the AA didn't do his job.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 3, 2018 19:45:38 GMT -5
If he's not moved by the trade deadline the AA didn't do his job. I agree if we’re not in contention, and I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we are. But he’s not going to bring much in return.
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Post by keystone61 on May 3, 2018 21:26:51 GMT -5
If he's not moved by the trade deadline the AA didn't do his job. I agree if we’re not in contention, and I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we are. But he’s not going to bring much in return. If he's raking like this, he's as good a rental as you're gonna find, so I would have to disagree. Nick Markakis can hit, guys, there's no denying that. He's the type of guy every good team has.
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Post by peteorr on May 3, 2018 21:59:33 GMT -5
Markakis is 34 and hitting better than he ever has. I remember when we were going to sign Markakis and many on the old board didn't want him. I was fine with a 3/30 deal and that would have meant Markakis wouldn't be around for competitive seasons and he wouldn't have been around this season. We have time to further evaluate Markakis and we should be using that time. Whether the Braves should keep Nick or not is beyond my expertise. For that to happen Markakis would need to have prolonged success and the Braves would need to believe that his hitting is repeatable. Nick has a positive DWAR currently. He only ever had a positive DWAR in one season and his career DWAR is -83. Is Nick suddently healthy? Wasn't he healthy in other seasons? If he was healthy in other seasons, then why was his defense poor? To keep Nick beyond 2018, the Braves would be making a big bet on his bat because quite frankly I don't see the defense sticking.
As for Suzuki, I said his one year extension was great. I expected his batting numbers to drop, yet they've increased. Regardless, Suzuki is an excellent secondary catcher. The Braves would do well to keep him if he is still hitting well at the all-star break or later.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 3, 2018 22:32:34 GMT -5
I agree if we’re not in contention, and I’ll be pleasantly surprised if we are. But he’s not going to bring much in return. If he's raking like this, he's as good a rental as you're gonna find, so I would have to disagree. Nick Markakis can hit, guys, there's no denying that. He's the type of guy every good team has. He’s not going to keep hitting anywhere near where he is now. Over the last five seasons combined his OPS is .728. He’s going to end up under .800 by the trade deadline. No playoff team is going to give much for a one tool player whose one tool is hitting when they have shown consistently what they are. I’m rooting for him to stay hot and enjoying it while he does, but I also know what to expect.
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Post by bravesfanmatt on May 3, 2018 23:59:50 GMT -5
This team will be in the hunt in July. No reason to trade neck. Ride him out and thank him on his way out. Maybe if he loves us he will give us a discount on a two year deal to be our 25th man. Doubt it. And doubt the Braves would resign him as a starter. So keep him around and see how far it takes us. I just don’t see us trading him to a contending team when we will be a contending team.
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Post by keystone61 on May 4, 2018 5:17:59 GMT -5
This team will be in the hunt in July. No reason to trade neck. Ride him out and thank him on his way out. Maybe if he loves us he will give us a discount on a two year deal to be our 25th man. Doubt it. And doubt the Braves would resign him as a starter. So keep him around and see how far it takes us. I just don’t see us trading him to a contending team when we will be a contending team. I agree. This team should be able to stay in the wild card race, so I think this is a decision for after the season. Even if he finishes at .290/20/100/.850 or so, I don't expect the Braves to re-sign him for next year. They'll go with someone younger, IMO, which is in all likelihood the right move. I don't know why some want to continue to denigrate Nick. He's a very good player, and by all accounts a great teammate. He comes to work every day, and I would say is an excellent influence on the younguns'. Those 2 things are pretty damn valuable by themselves.
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Post by Drkirby on May 4, 2018 5:42:42 GMT -5
Markakis is 34 and hitting better than he ever has. I remember when we were going to sign Markakis and many on the old bored didn't want him. I was fine with a 3/30 deal and that would have meant Markakis wouldn't be around for competitive seasons and he wouldn't have been around this season. We have time to further evaluate Markakis and we should be using that time. Whether the Braves should keep Nick or not is beyond my expertise. For that to happen Markakis would need to have prolonged success and the Braves would need to believe that his hitting is repeatable. Nick has a positive DWAR currently. He only ever had a positive DWAR in one season and his career DWAR is -83. Is Nick suddently healthy? Wasn't he healthy in other seasons? If he was healthy in other seasons, then why was his defense poor? To keep Nick beyond 2018, the Braves would be making a big bet on his bat because quite frankly I don't see the defense sticking. As for Suzuki, I said his one year extension was great. I expected his batting numbers to drop, yet they've increased. Regardless, Suzuki is an excellent secondary catcher. The Braves would do well to keep him if he is still hitting well at the all-star break or later. [br Suzuki is no longer the secondary catcher IMHO
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Post by littlebeast1 on May 4, 2018 7:43:00 GMT -5
This team will be in the hunt in July. No reason to trade neck. Ride him out and thank him on his way out. Maybe if he loves us he will give us a discount on a two year deal to be our 25th man. Doubt it. And doubt the Braves would resign him as a starter. So keep him around and see how far it takes us. I just don’t see us trading him to a contending team when we will be a contending team.
I agree as well. And for Nick's sake, I hope we continue to contend and he gets to play some meaningful baseball for the Braves in September/October. He's been a great pro on some pretty bad teams and if this is his last year with us, he deserves to go out on a winner.
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Post by keystone61 on May 4, 2018 7:57:37 GMT -5
This team will be in the hunt in July. No reason to trade neck. Ride him out and thank him on his way out. Maybe if he loves us he will give us a discount on a two year deal to be our 25th man. Doubt it. And doubt the Braves would resign him as a starter. So keep him around and see how far it takes us. I just don’t see us trading him to a contending team when we will be a contending team.
I agree as well. And for Nick's sake, I hope we continue to contend and he gets to play some meaningful baseball for the Braves in September/October. He's been a great pro on some pretty bad teams and if this is his last year with us, he deserves to go out on a winner.
So what you're saying is that Nick is good people? Totally agree.
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Post by littlebeast1 on May 4, 2018 8:03:23 GMT -5
I've liked Nick since day one. He was brought in to be a steadying influence during the dark days of the rebuild, which he has done. Now that we have a lot of talent around him, we are starting to see just how valuable he really is. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect him to keep raking as he is. Eventually, I can see Acuna moving into the cleanup spot, but I think Nick will continue to hit and produce well enough all year to merit keeping him around.
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