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Post by jryanw on May 6, 2018 19:20:21 GMT -5
Heres a good question. Which would make this team better next season. Signing Harper for 40 per or using that 40 to sign Kimbrel, Miller, and Allen. Once again terrible post. 1. Kimbrel won't make it to FA imho. 2. Even if he was there is no way those 3 would all sign with same team. They all want to be a teams closer. 3. We have tons of arms. Some of which will be transitoned to the bullpen. No need to clog up the payroll with relief pitchers. 4. 26 year old Harper vs 3 closers age 30, 31, and 34 years old? Give me Harper. 5. Why mention Miller instead of Britton in this fantasy scenario? I wouldn't mind us signing one of Kimbrel or Allen though.
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Post by jryanw on May 6, 2018 19:22:04 GMT -5
I wonder how the Braves FO feels about someone with Harper's personality and ego as they generally avoided and traded away players like that in the past. Or is the Bobby Cox boring have to be a good little church boy era finally over? I find iit interesting that Harpers team has flopped so bad in the playoffs every year. He even has poor playoff numbers. When your team leader is a d-bag I think it matters, one of those things that doesn’t show up in the stats. Same thing with Justin Upton—literately every single team he has been on has under performed. And I just don’t think we are going to be sinking this much money into any one player anyway. This crap again(eye roll)
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Post by jryanw on May 6, 2018 19:37:44 GMT -5
The injury concern is fair but what does it matter if we add 5 years of Harpers absolute peak to this team? We are on the cusp of something special but money has to be spent to finish the job. Honestly I don't think adding a 32 year old Cutch or a 35 year old Donaldson gets us over the hump.(both might though and should be the plan if we miss out on Harper, Machado, and Pollack.) As I've stated before I believe we are going to throw a frontloaded contract at Harper with a big signing bonus and give him an opt out after year 4 or 5. It's the perfect contract for him and for us. 5-4 years of Harper at an avg of 40 mil per from age 26-30 or 31 is a steal. He'll opt out when the contract drops to and avg of 20-25 mil. If we can save half of Neck and McCarthys contracts then we could frontload it even more. Heck give him 60 mil year 1. As long as he's off the team once we start needing to pay our young guys. What has Harper ever done that gives you such a Boner for him? He has never been the best player in baseball, He has never led his team to a WS title. and my gosh they have spent a ton to put pieces around him. I just don't get the Love for him . the dude has broke 30HR just 1 time. and has had an .OPS over .900 just 2 times in 6 seasons.these are not 40 Mil per numbers. And he has only broken 150 games once in 6 seasons Injuries are a fair question but he's never played less than 100 games so far less of an issue than you are making it. As far as his value: he's had a 3.7 or higher WAR 4 times in 6 seasons and will make it 5 times in 7 this year. In 2015 he was a 10 WAR player! He's currently on pace for his best season ever and will likely eclipse that season. I'm not gonna break down all the stars but look at them without hate and you will want the guy too. www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harpebr03.shtml
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Post by Cheaters2 on May 6, 2018 20:35:08 GMT -5
What has Harper ever done that gives you such a Boner for him? He has never been the best player in baseball, He has never led his team to a WS title. and my gosh they have spent a ton to put pieces around him. I just don't get the Love for him . the dude has broke 30HR just 1 time. and has had an .OPS over .900 just 2 times in 6 seasons.these are not 40 Mil per numbers. And he has only broken 150 games once in 6 seasons Injuries are a fair question but he's never played less than 100 games so far less of an issue than you are making it. As far as his value: he's had a 3.7 or higher WAR 4 times in 6 seasons and will make it 5 times in 7 this year. In 2015 he was a 10 WAR player! He's currently on pace for his best season ever and will likely eclipse that season. I'm not gonna break down all the stars but look at them without hate and you will want the guy too. www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/harpebr03.shtmlfor 40 mil a guy better be a 10 war player every year not once every 6 yrs. I don't hate Harper I'd love to have him for what his value is about 20mil since he is a part-time player. I don't want to pay as you say 60 million to watch Lane Adams play 50 games a yr in RF.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 6, 2018 20:38:26 GMT -5
I find iit interesting that Harpers team has flopped so bad in the playoffs every year. He even has poor playoff numbers. When your team leader is a d-bag I think it matters, one of those things that doesn’t show up in the stats. Same thing with Justin Upton—literately every single team he has been on has under performed. And I just don’t think we are going to be sinking this much money into any one player anyway. This crap again(eye roll) Same crap back from you too. (eye roll) I don't intend to spend the next 7 months or whatever arguing about Bryce Harper. Here's about the last thing I'm going to say other than a half a sentence once in awhile maybe--you feel one way, other people feel another way, and none of us know what the right answer is. So at this point all we're doing is arguing about opinions, which is pretty stupid, when it comes to arguing and getting snippy. I think he's a colossal d-bag and I don't want him on my team, and I don't want to spend that much money on any one player anyway. You feel differently. That's fine. I'll admit I don't know for a fact what is best, I don't know for a fact that he's even a d-bag--I can cite a lot of examples, so I feel fairly confident in my opinion of him, but I'm still going to admit I don't know for sure. Maybe he's a great guy and a great team leader and great in the clubhouse and it's not his fault at all that his team has flopped every year in the playoffs. Maybe signing him would be a great move. But by the same token, you don't know that your opinion is any more right than my opinion. I don't think anybody is being condescending towards you, but you sure at everybody else in this matter. I'm still trying hard to play nice but by the same token I'm not going to take any crap from anybody for no reason either.
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Post by Cheaters2 on May 6, 2018 20:39:23 GMT -5
Heres a good question. Which would make this team better next season. Signing Harper for 40 per or using that 40 to sign Kimbrel, Miller, and Allen. Once again terrible post. 1. Kimbrel won't make it to FA imho. 2. Even if he was there is no way those 3 would all sign with same team. They all want to be a teams closer. 3. We have tons of arms. Some of which will be transitoned to the bullpen. No need to clog up the payroll with relief pitchers. 4. 26 year old Harper vs 3 closers age 30, 31, and 34 years old? Give me Harper. 5. Why mention Miller instead of Britton in this fantasy scenario? I wouldn't mind us signing one of Kimbrel or Allen though. I don't think we could sign these 3 I am just saying these 3 give us more wins than does Harper for the same money....oh and Miller and Allen play for same team now. no reason they wouldn't want to next yr. Man that would be a sick back of a BP
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Post by jryanw on May 6, 2018 20:57:17 GMT -5
Once again terrible post. 1. Kimbrel won't make it to FA imho. 2. Even if he was there is no way those 3 would all sign with same team. They all want to be a teams closer. 3. We have tons of arms. Some of which will be transitoned to the bullpen. No need to clog up the payroll with relief pitchers. 4. 26 year old Harper vs 3 closers age 30, 31, and 34 years old? Give me Harper. 5. Why mention Miller instead of Britton in this fantasy scenario? I wouldn't mind us signing one of Kimbrel or Allen though. I don't think we could sign these 3 I am just saying these 3 give us more wins than does Harper for the same money....oh and Miller and Allen play for same team now. no reason they wouldn't want to next yr. Man that would be a sick back of a BP Asking people if they would rather have Harper at 40 mi or those 3 for 40 mil next year is insinuating that we could get all three. I called you on it and now you're backtracking. Plain and simple. IF you didn't mean all 3 then your original argument makes no sense. Miller went to the Indians in 2015 with the intention of being the closer. Miller(who has one season of closing under his belt) beat him out. First of all there is no way Miller would intentionally sign as a set up man. Second, enough teams need a closer where both of these guys will get paid next year. It would be a great back if the pen if it were possible but since it's not(which was my entire point of why you're post was dumb) then your aregument doesn't hold water.
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Post by jryanw on May 6, 2018 21:04:43 GMT -5
This crap again(eye roll) Same crap back from you too. (eye roll) I don't intend to spend the next 7 months or whatever arguing about Bryce Harper. Here's about the last thing I'm going to say other than a half a sentence once in awhile maybe--you feel one way, other people feel another way, and none of us know what the right answer is. So at this point all we're doing is arguing about opinions, which is pretty stupid, when it comes to arguing and getting snippy. I think he's a colossal d-bag and I don't want him on my team, and I don't want to spend that much money on any one player anyway. You feel differently. That's fine. I'll admit I don't know for a fact what is best, I don't know for a fact that he's even a d-bag--I can cite a lot of examples, so I feel fairly confident in my opinion of him, but I'm still going to admit I don't know for sure. Maybe he's a great guy and a great team leader and great in the clubhouse and it's not his fault at all that his team has flopped every year in the playoffs. Maybe signing him would be a great move. But by the same token, you don't know that your opinion is any more right than my opinion. I don't think anybody is being condescending towards you, but you sure at everybody else in this matter. I'm still trying hard to play nice but by the same token I'm not going to take any crap from anybody for no reason either. You are arguing your opinion. I'm arguing facts. The fact is a 26 year old top 20 overall hitter is about to hit the open market the same year we have 90 mil to spend. We will be in on Harper. That is a fact. We have money to spend and have been leading up to a run in 2019. The same year Harper is a free agent. Fact. You've developed animosity toward Harper because he's a Nat and is an aggressive person. Fact. Because of this you say stupid things like you wouldn't pull for him even if he were on the team and would stop watching(from the old board) even though you know that's complete bologna. Fact.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 6, 2018 22:16:40 GMT -5
Same crap back from you too. (eye roll) I don't intend to spend the next 7 months or whatever arguing about Bryce Harper. Here's about the last thing I'm going to say other than a half a sentence once in awhile maybe--you feel one way, other people feel another way, and none of us know what the right answer is. So at this point all we're doing is arguing about opinions, which is pretty stupid, when it comes to arguing and getting snippy. I think he's a colossal d-bag and I don't want him on my team, and I don't want to spend that much money on any one player anyway. You feel differently. That's fine. I'll admit I don't know for a fact what is best, I don't know for a fact that he's even a d-bag--I can cite a lot of examples, so I feel fairly confident in my opinion of him, but I'm still going to admit I don't know for sure. Maybe he's a great guy and a great team leader and great in the clubhouse and it's not his fault at all that his team has flopped every year in the playoffs. Maybe signing him would be a great move. But by the same token, you don't know that your opinion is any more right than my opinion. I don't think anybody is being condescending towards you, but you sure at everybody else in this matter. I'm still trying hard to play nice but by the same token I'm not going to take any crap from anybody for no reason either. You are arguing your opinion. I'm arguing facts. The fact is a 26 year old top 20 overall hitter is about to hit the open market the same year we have 90 mil to spend. We will be in on Harper. That is a fact. We have money to spend and have been leading up to a run in 2019. The same year Harper is a free agent. Fact. You've developed animosity toward Harper because he's a Nat and is an aggressive person. Fact. Because of this you say stupid things like you wouldn't pull for him even if he were on the team and would stop watching(from the old bored) even though you know that's complete bologna. Fact. Well I see you totally missed the point of what I said, I’m not surprised. You have no idea what he word “fact” means, that’s very apparent. And despite what you think you know as a fact, there’s no way of knowing whether or not that money could be better spent on 2-3 other players. Stop talking down to people here.
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Post by peteorr on May 7, 2018 20:42:11 GMT -5
Opinions/predictions aren't facts, please stop. In time you might be right. Even if you are proven right, you were not dealing in facts. Facts are proveable.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 8, 2018 0:41:54 GMT -5
Heres a good question. Which would make this team better next season. Signing Harper for 40 per or using that 40 to sign Kimbrel, Miller, and Allen. I don't think it's wise to spend $40 million on 3 relievers. I don't even know why you're limiting it to $40 million. The Braves have $80 million to spend, which means it's completely realistic for the Braves to sign Harper, Kimbrel, Miller, and still have money left over.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 8, 2018 0:45:14 GMT -5
Harper is a 5+ WAR player, who hasn't even hit his prime yet. At a price tag of $9 million for 1.0 WAR, Harper at $40 million (which, IMO, he won't get) is still a bargain because there are gonna be years he puts up better than a 5.0 WAR. If he has a year where he puts up an 8.0 WAR, at $40 million, that's only $5 million for 1.0 WAR. That's a deal on the open market.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 8, 2018 1:02:24 GMT -5
Harper is a 5+ WAR player, who hasn't even hit his prime yet. At a price tag of $9 million for 1.0 WAR, Harper at $40 million (which, IMO, he won't get) is still a bargain because there are gonna be years he puts up better than a 5.0 WAR. If he has a year where he puts up an 8.0 WAR, at $40 million, that's only $5 million for 1.0 WAR. That's a deal on the open market.
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Post by jryanw on May 8, 2018 8:01:41 GMT -5
Heres a good question. Which would make this team better next season. Signing Harper for 40 per or using that 40 to sign Kimbrel, Miller, and Allen. I don't think it's wise to spend $40 million on 3 relievers. I don't even know why you're limiting it to $40 million. The Braves have $80 million to spend, which means it's completely realistic for the Braves to sign Harper, Kimbrel, Miller, and still have money left over. Agreed 100%
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Post by jryanw on May 8, 2018 8:04:18 GMT -5
Harper is a 5+ WAR player, who hasn't even hit his prime yet. At a price tag of $9 million for 1.0 WAR, Harper at $40 million (which, IMO, he won't get) is still a bargain because there are gonna be years he puts up better than a 5.0 WAR. If he has a year where he puts up an 8.0 WAR, at $40 million, that's only $5 million for 1.0 WAR. That's a deal on the open market. Nightman gets it. Like I said I'm going to tone it down on the insults but the fact that there are so many on this board that either don't understand how good he is or "don't want him because he's a d-bag." drives me nuts. Oh well. I'm not gonna change yalls minds so...
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