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Post by jryanw on May 12, 2018 0:03:26 GMT -5
Unless you can definitively say that the pressure in the playoffs got to Harper, and you can't, then citing his limited number of at bats and team success in the playoffs is pretty worthless. It is a completely different story if you don't want to sign specifically him or in general any player to a 10 year contract. Another valid argument is not investing $300M+ in one player. Baseball is a team sport to a greater degree than a number of other team sports are. You usually can't single out one player, especially not when they played so well to get you to the playoffs to begin with. It is also not wise to utilize small sample sizes. Personally I would like Harper. I am well aware that there are arguments against him. Playoff success or lack thereof is not a valid reason in my opinion. All of this times 100
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 12, 2018 0:20:39 GMT -5
If he had performed better they would have played more than 15 playoff games during those 5 years. During those 15 games I see 70 PA's, 11 hits, 3 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, a .192 BA, and a .667 OPS and 20 strikeouts.
Were the 5 games were he was applauded for having success an ample sample size but the 15 where he hasn't isn't? Don’t you think you might be putting too much of a burden on his back? Baseball is a team sport after all and if I remember correctly, the Nats biggest playoff issue has been their pitching, particularly their bullpen. Which was and still is an issue that they seem to not recognize. I don't know, team leaders that deserve a $300-$400 million contract can't really have too much put on their back. He's had 9 walks in those "bad" playoff seasons, so he's had 61 AB's with 20 strikeouts. That and that .667 OPS of his (for the team leader) seems to have aided the pitching woes quite a bit in their playoff losses.
Haven't they fixed their bullpen some this year? I haven't paid close attention. I remember hearing they had, but I haven't kept up enough to know if it's working better or not.
I think the way he finishes this year and what they do in the playoffs (assuming they make it) will influence his contract, possibly significantly one way or the other. He needs to pick it up, he has just the 30th highest wRC+ in baseball right now.....but he has moved up from 49th to 47 in WAR!
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 12, 2018 1:03:30 GMT -5
Don’t you think you might be putting too much of a burden on his back? Baseball is a team sport after all and if I remember correctly, the Nats biggest playoff issue has been their pitching, particularly their bullpen. Which was and still is an issue that they seem to not recognize. I don't know, team leaders that deserve a $300-$400 million contract can't really have too much put on their back. He's had 9 walks in those "bad" playoff seasons, so he's had 61 AB's with 20 strikeouts. That and that .667 OPS of his (for the team leader) seems to have aided the pitching woes quite a bit in their playoff losses.
Haven't they fixed their bullpen some this year? I haven't paid close attention. I remember hearing they had, but I haven't kept up enough to know if it's working better or not.
I think the way he finishes this year and what they do in the playoffs (assuming they make it) will influence his contract, possibly significantly one way or the other. He needs to pick it up, he has just the 30th highest wRC+ in baseball right now.....but he has moved up from 49th to 47 in WAR!
[ Well, like I said, I’m not gonna judge whether he’s worth $400 million based on 60 at-bats over 5 years. There’s a curse on their bullpen. Whatever additions they’ve made won’t work. Remind me what his wRC+ and WAR are at the end of September.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 12, 2018 6:32:05 GMT -5
They made their bullpen better by letting Dusty Baker go.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 12, 2018 6:34:53 GMT -5
I don't know, team leaders that deserve a $300-$400 million contract can't really have too much put on their back. He's had 9 walks in those "bad" playoff seasons, so he's had 61 AB's with 20 strikeouts. That and that .667 OPS of his (for the team leader) seems to have aided the pitching woes quite a bit in their playoff losses.
Haven't they fixed their bullpen some this year? I haven't paid close attention. I remember hearing they had, but I haven't kept up enough to know if it's working better or not.
I think the way he finishes this year and what they do in the playoffs (assuming they make it) will influence his contract, possibly significantly one way or the other. He needs to pick it up, he has just the 30th highest wRC+ in baseball right now.....but he has moved up from 49th to 47 in WAR!
[ Well, like I said, I’m not gonna judge whether he’s worth $400 million based on 60 at-bats over 5 years. There’s a curse on their bullpen. Whatever additions they’ve made won’t work. Remind me what his wRC+ and WAR are at the end of September. I’m not basing it just on his playoff performance, I’ve made that clear, it’s just one more reason to not commit so much money for so many years IMO. I don’t think his regular season numbers have been that spectacular other than his one monster season, I think he’s a major doosher, I could be wrong I will admit. I question his leadership and clubhouse presence. And I could be wrong about that. Yes, we’ll keep an eye on his wRC+ and WAR by the end of the year. Nothing suggests they will be top 5 or top 10 in all of baseball by then. The only thing that would make someone think they will be is a glitter in a young mans eyes and that fellers love boner for Mr. Harper. (Insert big smiley face here).
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Post by jryanw on May 12, 2018 6:39:30 GMT -5
They made their bullpen better by letting Dusty Baker go. He's a horrible manager. I was so happy when they hired him.
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Post by jryanw on May 12, 2018 6:42:36 GMT -5
[ Well, like I said, I’m not gonna judge whether he’s worth $400 million based on 60 at-bats over 5 years. There’s a curse on their bullpen. Whatever additions they’ve made won’t work. Remind me what his wRC+ and WAR are at the end of September. I’m not basing it just on his playoff performance, I’ve made that clear, it’s just one more reason to not commit so much money for so many years IMO. I don’t think his regular season numbers have been that spectacular other than his one monster season, I think he’s a major doosher, I could be wrong I will admit. I question his leadership and clubhouse presence. And I could be wrong about that. Yes, we’ll keep an eye on his wRC+ and WAR by the end of the year. Nothing suggests they will be top 5 or top 10 in all of baseball by then. The only thing that would make someone think they will be is a glitter in a young mans eyes and that fellers love boner for Mr. Harper. (Insert big smiley face here). You guys keep missing the main point Nightman and I keep trying to get across: Harper will have an player option that he will take. Plus, the money's gonna be frontloaded. He'll make an avg of 25 mil per year for the final 5 years. That's actually a steal if he decides to not use the option. We have the money to spend and AA said we are going to spend it. There is no reason to hung up on the money.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 12, 2018 7:33:50 GMT -5
Yea we have the money and yes we are going to spend it.... I don't think anyone is hung up on spending the money.. it's just who it's spent on.
We are going to look to extend some of our own young guys soon, and that won't be cheap. We are going probably going to sign a TOR guy and that won't be cheap.
We may make a run at Harper, but have you guys who think we will get him ever wondered why the Braves are not really mentioned as top candidates to sign him?
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Post by bravepap on May 12, 2018 7:37:21 GMT -5
Because AA would rather have Cito Gaston as manager and will make a run at him?
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 12, 2018 9:33:15 GMT -5
I’m not basing it just on his playoff performance, I’ve made that clear, it’s just one more reason to not commit so much money for so many years IMO. I don’t think his regular season numbers have been that spectacular other than his one monster season, I think he’s a major doosher, I could be wrong I will admit. I question his leadership and clubhouse presence. And I could be wrong about that. Yes, we’ll keep an eye on his wRC+ and WAR by the end of the year. Nothing suggests they will be top 5 or top 10 in all of baseball by then. The only thing that would make someone think they will be is a glitter in a young mans eyes and that fellers love boner for Mr. Harper. (Insert big smiley face here). You guys keep missing the main point Nightman and I keep trying to get across: Harper will have an player option that he will take. Plus, the money's gonna be frontloaded. He'll make an avg of 25 mil per year for the final 5 years. That's actually a steal if he decides to not use the option. We have the money to spend and AA said we are going to spend it. There is no reason to hung up on the money. I think Greinke is the only player to opt out of a long contract so far. Almost 100% of these long contract guys have started under performing immediately. Certainly none of them have done well enough to raise their value making it worth it for them to opt out. I’m not hung up on spending the money, just the number of years. I said the other day we can’t predict what we’ll need 6,7, 10 years from now. I don’t want to tie up a lot of money in any one player for that long. Guys like Pollock and Miller aren’t going to get 10 year deals but would be very good for us.
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