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Post by Drkirby on May 5, 2018 18:56:24 GMT -5
Neck’s lack of range And having to play on the track bites us again
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Post by Cheaters2 on May 5, 2018 19:59:55 GMT -5
Well I for one do not want Harper on this team. And guys have been known in this game to make adjustments that totally change there Game I for one think Our Hitting coach has changed several guys games with this new launch Angle approach. what if Nick plays the rest of the season the way he is now, outside of Harper is there another FA Of that would for sure be better than what Nick is playing right Now? I still believe whoever gives Harper 400 mil will make the worst signing in the history of baseball This is such a bad post. Please, explain to me what Harper had done that made you so mad that you don't want, a 26 year old, top 10 overall hitter. Then explain to me how you can not want Harper and in the same breath suggest that Neck is the 2nd best option in free agency because he's having a good beginning to this season. Did you forget how below average Neck has been for his entire Braves career outside of the this year so far? What makes you think he can keep this up this year? Even if he does why in the world would you believe he could replicate a career year as a 35 1/2 year old? Do you not realize how below average of a defender Neck is? Now please don't misunderstand my distain for you post as a lack of excitement for what Neck has been able to do thus far. Know this: if Neck is still on this team after the trade deadline then AA failed at his job this year. Me not wanting Harper is simple. I don't want to tie that much money up for that many yrs to anyone. and I don't believe Harper will be a full time player within 5 yrs. I think he is going to have injury issues. As for Neck I just see him as a stop gap.
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Post by peteorr on May 5, 2018 23:46:53 GMT -5
Well I for one do not want Harper on this team. And guys have been known in this game to make adjustments that totally change there Game I for one think Our Hitting coach has changed several guys games with this new launch Angle approach. what if Nick plays the rest of the season the way he is now, outside of Harper is there another FA Of that would for sure be better than what Nick is playing right Now? I still believe whoever gives Harper 400 mil will make the worst signing in the history of baseball This is such a bad post. Please, explain to me what Harper had done that made you so mad that you don't want, a 26 year old, top 10 overall hitter. Then explain to me how you can not want Harper and in the same breath suggest that Neck is the 2nd best option in free agency because he's having a good beginning to this season. Did you forget how below average Neck has been for his entire Braves career outside of the this year so far? What makes you think he can keep this up this year? Even if he does why in the world would you believe he could replicate a career year as a 35 1/2 year old? Do you not realize how below average of a defender Neck is? Now please don't misunderstand my distain for you post as a lack of excitement for what Neck has been able to do thus far. Know this: if Neck is still on this team after the trade deadline then AA failed at his job this year. I generally agree with your post, although I wouldn't have been as harsh. You can be nicer while still in disagreement. I do not agree with your last sentence whatsoever. If the Braves are in it, they keep Markakis. Who would they replace him with? Austin Riley isn't going to be promoted since he's currently in AA. So Nick would be traded if Bautista replaces him, Camargo plays third, and Swanson plays short. All of that would be okay if the Braves are out of it. The Braves at least appear to be legit. Despite Markakis playing well, he is old and only signed for this season. His record in recent years is spotty. If Nick keeps hitting, the Braves will probably be in the playoff hunt. If he doesn't hit well and the Braves aren't in the playoff hunt, he isn't going to net you much in a trade. Therefore, I don't see it as all that likely that Nick Markakis will be traded.
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Post by peteorr on May 5, 2018 23:49:12 GMT -5
It is probably fair to talk about Nick's defense (I didn't catch the game). He had three hits today. I'll accept that any day of the week even if it includes an error.
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Post by Drkirby on May 6, 2018 4:14:43 GMT -5
It is probably fair to talk about Nick's defense (I didn't catch the game). He had three hits today. I'll accept that any day of the week even if it includes an error. It wasn’t just the error it was combined with the lack of range
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Post by jryanw on May 6, 2018 9:41:09 GMT -5
This is such a bad post. Please, explain to me what Harper had done that made you so mad that you don't want, a 26 year old, top 10 overall hitter. Then explain to me how you can not want Harper and in the same breath suggest that Neck is the 2nd best option in free agency because he's having a good beginning to this season. Did you forget how below average Neck has been for his entire Braves career outside of the this year so far? What makes you think he can keep this up this year? Even if he does why in the world would you believe he could replicate a career year as a 35 1/2 year old? Do you not realize how below average of a defender Neck is? Now please don't misunderstand my distain for you post as a lack of excitement for what Neck has been able to do thus far. Know this: if Neck is still on this team after the trade deadline then AA failed at his job this year. I generally agree with your post, although I wouldn't have been as harsh. You can be nicer while still in disagreement. I do not agree with your last sentence whatsoever. If the Braves are in it, they keep Markakis. Who would they replace him with? Austin Riley isn't going to be promoted since he's currently in AA. So Nick would be traded if Bautista replaces him, Camargo plays third, and Swanson plays short. All of that would be okay if the Braves are out of it. The Braves at least appear to be legit. Despite Markakis playing well, he is old and only signed for this season. His record in recent years is spotty. If Nick keeps hitting, the Braves will probably be in the playoff hunt. If he doesn't hit well and the Braves aren't in the playoff hunt, he isn't going to net you much in a trade. Therefore, I don't see it as all that likely that Nick Markakis will be traded. I can see you point on Neck. I would however be fine with us moving him now and then signing a guy like Melky(I know we hate him. Lol). Even if we are legit(I hope we are but it's too early to tell) we don't have the kind of pitching we need to win in the playoffs where every team sends out there 3-4 best starters and uses there number 5 guy as a long reliever. It changes the game. I also fine good with Batista in RF and Camargo at 3rd. The main reason Neck(and McCarthy for that matter) need to move imho is because the more money we save this year the more we can throw is as a signing bonus to Harper/Machado and Kershaw. I honestly believe the FA class of 2019 has been the target since we started the rebuild process. If AA doesn't save us some of Neck and Mccarthys money then he hasn't done his job is the long way of saying what I said.
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Post by jryanw on May 6, 2018 9:41:55 GMT -5
It is probably fair to talk about Nick's defense (I didn't catch the game). He had three hits today. I'll accept that any day of the week even if it includes an error. It wasn’t just the error it was combined with the lack of range He's atrocious in the field. Thank God Inciarte is so good.
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Post by jryanw on May 6, 2018 9:57:10 GMT -5
This is such a bad post. Please, explain to me what Harper had done that made you so mad that you don't want, a 26 year old, top 10 overall hitter. Then explain to me how you can not want Harper and in the same breath suggest that Neck is the 2nd best option in free agency because he's having a good beginning to this season. Did you forget how below average Neck has been for his entire Braves career outside of the this year so far? What makes you think he can keep this up this year? Even if he does why in the world would you believe he could replicate a career year as a 35 1/2 year old? Do you not realize how below average of a defender Neck is? Now please don't misunderstand my distain for you post as a lack of excitement for what Neck has been able to do thus far. Know this: if Neck is still on this team after the trade deadline then AA failed at his job this year. Me not wanting Harper is simple. I don't want to tie that much money up for that many yrs to anyone. and I don't believe Harper will be a full time player within 5 yrs. I think he is going to have injury issues. As for Neck I just see him as a stop gap. The injury concern is fair but what does it matter if we add 5 years of Harpers absolute peak to this team? We are on the cusp of something special but money has to be spent to finish the job. Honestly I don't think adding a 32 year old Cutch or a 35 year old Donaldson gets us over the hump.(both might though and should be the plan if we miss out on Harper, Machado, and Pollack.) As I've stated before I believe we are going to throw a frontloaded contract at Harper with a big signing bonus and give him an opt out after year 4 or 5. It's the perfect contract for him and for us. 5-4 years of Harper at an avg of 40 mil per from age 26-30 or 31 is a steal. He'll opt out when the contract drops to and avg of 20-25 mil. If we can save half of Neck and McCarthys contracts then we could frontload it even more. Heck give him 60 mil year 1. As long as he's off the team once we start needing to pay our young guys.
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Post by jahgentle on May 6, 2018 10:09:26 GMT -5
I wonder how the Braves FO feels about someone with Harper's personality and ego as they generally avoided and traded away players like that in the past. Or is the Bobby Cox boring have to be a good little church boy era finally over?
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Post by keystone61 on May 6, 2018 10:11:42 GMT -5
Yeah, and if Harper's production or health falls off the table, his contract will be an albatross that will take years for this organization to overcome. Let the big $$$ teams take that risk.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 6, 2018 11:42:15 GMT -5
I wonder how the Braves FO feels about someone with Harper's personality and ego as they generally avoided and traded away players like that in the past. Or is the Bobby Cox boring have to be a good little church boy era finally over? I find iit interesting that Harpers team has flopped so bad in the playoffs every year. He even has poor playoff numbers. When your team leader is a d-bag I think it matters, one of those things that doesn’t show up in the stats. Same thing with Justin Upton—literately every single team he has been on has under performed. And I just don’t think we are going to be sinking this much money into any one player anyway.
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Post by Drkirby on May 6, 2018 13:56:05 GMT -5
I wonder how the Braves FO feels about someone with Harper's personality and ego as they generally avoided and traded away players like that in the past. Or is the Bobby Cox boring have to be a good little church boy era finally over? I find iit interesting that Harpers team has flopped so bad in the playoffs every year. He even has poor playoff numbers. When your team leader is a d-bag I think it matters, one of those things that doesn’t show up in the stats. Same thing with Justin Upton—literately every single team he has been on has under performed. And I just don’t think we are going to be sinking this much money into any one player anyway. And we had the pleasure of both cases of the upton Cancer
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Post by Cheaters2 on May 6, 2018 15:54:47 GMT -5
Heres a good question. Which would make this team better next season. Signing Harper for 40 per or using that 40 to sign Kimbrel, Miller, and Allen.
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Post by jahgentle on May 6, 2018 16:04:29 GMT -5
Heres a good question. Which would make this team better next season. Signing Harper for 40 per or using that 40 to sign Kimbrel, Miller, and Allen. I see your point but I just don't think there is any chance they sign Harper anyways ..that whole "Braves Way" thing
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Post by Cheaters2 on May 6, 2018 16:05:52 GMT -5
Me not wanting Harper is simple. I don't want to tie that much money up for that many yrs to anyone. and I don't believe Harper will be a full time player within 5 yrs. I think he is going to have injury issues. As for Neck I just see him as a stop gap. The injury concern is fair but what does it matter if we add 5 years of Harpers absolute peak to this team? We are on the cusp of something special but money has to be spent to finish the job. Honestly I don't think adding a 32 year old Cutch or a 35 year old Donaldson gets us over the hump.(both might though and should be the plan if we miss out on Harper, Machado, and Pollack.) As I've stated before I believe we are going to throw a frontloaded contract at Harper with a big signing bonus and give him an opt out after year 4 or 5. It's the perfect contract for him and for us. 5-4 years of Harper at an avg of 40 mil per from age 26-30 or 31 is a steal. He'll opt out when the contract drops to and avg of 20-25 mil. If we can save half of Neck and McCarthys contracts then we could frontload it even more. Heck give him 60 mil year 1. As long as he's off the team once we start needing to pay our young guys. What has Harper ever done that gives you such a Boner for him? He has never been the best player in baseball, He has never led his team to a WS title. and my gosh they have spent a ton to put pieces around him. I just don't get the Love for him . the dude has broke 30HR just 1 time. and has had an .OPS over .900 just 2 times in 6 seasons.these are not 40 Mil per numbers. And he has only broken 150 games once in 6 seasons
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