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Post by Fumbduckery on May 26, 2018 13:24:02 GMT -5
BrycemanCometh, have you gotten to your offseason plans yet? Catcher: Stay put here if possible. Lucroy was always an option here and could be again if he would again sign for cheap. He's looking like he might have to sign for cheap again, but I'm guessing he would only do so if he was given a majority of the playing time and I'm not sure if the Braves would be willing to go that far. Again, stick with what we have if possible. 1B: Freeman under contract SS/2B: Albies will of course take one of these spots. The Braves need to upgrade from Swanson in the offseason. Who would the Braves sign/trade for? Brian Dozier hasn't started the season well. He still could be a good signing. Elvis Andrus? Daniel Murphy? Dansby can learn 3B and 1B during the offseason and be the second utility player or be traded. 3B: Riley will be on the MLB team at the start of the 2019 season at the latest barring injury Outfield: Acuna, Markakis, Pollock or other? As of now I'm all in on keeping Markakis. Ender would be traded. Starting pitchers: Allard, Soroka, Gohara, Newcomb, Folty As a veteran Teheran would have to be in the rotation or traded. The Braves would still have Fried and Wisler as depth. I don't anticipate the Braves signing an ace. The Braves currently have one of the best teams in the NL. Three major signings/trades (2B or SS/OF/Reliever) would make the team quite strong and they would go as far as their young pitching could take them. I got another week and a half before I go in full rosterbation mode. It's the end of the school year so I haven't had a lot of time to think about it, but a couple thoughts I've had going through my mind. Catcher: If it seems obvious, by the end of the year, that one of Flowzuki is gonna bounce, I'm all for the Braves going after the remainder, between the two, hard, and going after McCann. A couple reasons why I think that move is possible. 1.) McCann already stated that he's open to finishing his career with the Braves. 2.) Next year is an option year for like $18 million. I don't see how the 'Stros pick that option up. Short Stop: My optimism for Swanson is starting to wain. Tonight was the first night where I thought Machado over Harper was a good idea. If Machado is a pipe dream, I don't think Dozier is the answer, but I haven't done any deep research on Dozier. I think the Braves might be better served to keep playing Swanson for another year, hoping for the best, and if it doesn't work then going after Schoop, Gregorious, or Bogaerts in 2020. Outfield: Answer forthcoming next week. Rotation: Answer forthcoming next week, but Teheran has to go one way or another. There's just no room for him anymore as it's becoming increasingly clear that the Braves will have better options next year. Bullpen: Still on the Andrew Miller hype train. I really think him, or a reliever similar to him, is a must for the Braves. I'm still on the fence about the Braves signing a closer. They're just so expensive on the open market. Dear BrycemanCausethAnotherRebuild,
I don't want to give anybody a 10 year $300M+ contract, but if someone told me were definitely going to do it, I would choose Machado over Harper without one tenth of a second hesitation to think about it. And I would package Dansby without a second thought and move on.
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Post by peteorr on May 26, 2018 21:23:02 GMT -5
After looking more into both Harper and Machado I am now against giving either a ~10Y/$300M contract.
I liken them more to the failed Giancarlo Stanton contract than the first ARod megadeal, which was a success.
Harper has been a negative defender according to Fangraphs every season except for his rookie year. There would be no guarantee that he would opt out of a ten year deal. So for me the question would be what kind of defender will he be the last few years of the deal? Would his defense be at an acceptable enough level that he could play in the field? DWAR on ESPN also has mostly negative values for Harper, although the numbers are entirely acceptable and not drastic whatsoever. Harper typically plays well when he's on the field, however it is not a given that he's always on the field. Harper has an amazing peak FWAR of 9.3. He's never come close to matching that again. For comparison's sake, ARod had two 9+ WAR seasons before he signed his contract with the Rangers as well as a season with 7.9. ARod's other two seasons with the Mariners after he figured out how to play were 4.3 and 4.7. ARod at his worst was better than you should expect Harper or Machado to be on average over the course of their deal.
Machado has a peak WAR of 6.6, although he could perhaps best that this season. Do you shell out one of the largest contracts in MLB history for that performance at best? Machado has been a fairly durable player thus far in his career. If you want increased production from him, you can't look forward to him being healthier. He will simply have to play better. One of the ways Machado has racked up value is with his plus defense. Both Fangraphs and ESPN have his defense as a slight negative this season. Is that an outlier? Machado's otherworldly offense this season surely is an outlier. Machado has 100 more career plate appearances than Harper, yet his career FWAR is two lower. Machado had the same wRC+ of 102 in 2013 and 2017. His defense was much better in 2013, thus his WAR was twice as high. At this point I'm questioning his defense and I'm not buying this season's offensive output as the norm.
I see the potential in Harper. He could be an incredible player if healthy. I'm not up for giving him a massive contract while betting that he'll stay healthy when he hasn't throughout his career. I'm not in on Machado at all. Flat out he's not a consideration for me.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 29, 2018 0:45:37 GMT -5
How much is Machado gonna cost again?
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Post by peteorr on May 29, 2018 11:04:06 GMT -5
I put the over/under on both Harper and Machado at 10/$300M
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Post by brady2705 on May 30, 2018 22:41:21 GMT -5
Anyone think we should see what Hunter Strickland would cost? If we grab him, he could either slot in as CL, or (my preference), give us another high-end set-up arm for the back of the pen. I believe he's from Georgia, has 3 more years of control, and would surely give us some awesome Strickland/Harper battles over the second half. Thoughts?
1 CL (R) Vizzy 2 SU (R) Winkler 3 SU (R) Strickland 4 SU (L) Minter 5 MR (R) Carle 6 MR (L) Freeman 7 MR (L) Biddle 8 LR (R) Moylan
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 30, 2018 23:16:31 GMT -5
Anyone think we should see what Hunter Strickland would cost? If we grab him, he could either slot in as CL, or (my preference), give us another high-end set-up arm for the back of the pen. I believe he's from Georgia, has 3 more years of control, and would surely give us some awesome Strickland/Harper battles over the second half. Thoughts? 1 CL (R) Vizzy 2 SU (R) Winkler 3 SU (R) Strickland 4 SU (L) Minter 5 MR (R) Carle 6 MR (L) Freeman 7 MR (L) Biddle 8 LR (R) Moylan If the cost was reasonable I'd be all for it. He seems like he can be tempestuous at times, but if he has control of his head and control of his control he's pretty wicked.
And we can use him to bean Bryce-hole.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on May 31, 2018 1:17:20 GMT -5
Ho Hum, Bryce Harper with another homer.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 31, 2018 1:25:42 GMT -5
Ho Hum, Bryce Harper with another homer. And while Pinocchio's nose grew every time he lied.......every time Bryce-hole hits a home run.....
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Post by mauibravefan on Jun 1, 2018 17:17:02 GMT -5
Hey Hanley Ramirez basically out there for free, I'm sure he could still play 3rd as good as Jbats
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Post by peteorr on Jun 12, 2018 18:56:40 GMT -5
How are you all currently feeling about playoff odds? Do you believe this is accurate? Sobering? www.talkingchop.com/2018/6/12/17448616/atlanta-braves-mlb-playoff-odds-projections-2018-season-june-12I've seen fans talk about trading for Eduardo Escobar, Cole Hamels, J.A. Happ, Mike Moustakas, and others in a list of potential acquisitions that is too long to fully remember and list. If the Braves trade players they are gone for good. I'm not sure how much resources we should be putting into rentals to begin with. It would be smarter to spend more resources this time next year on rentals when the team figures to be better than they are now. The players who the Braves would trade might actually be needed in Atlanta. We should maybe even be considering to some degree if we should develop a pitcher or two at the major league level and then trade them for prospects with a minor league player replacing them. I am concerned that the Braves have little depth and it is pretty much only at pitching from my perhaps limited knowledge of the minor league system. The Braves have the penalties that Coppolella left them with. The Braves could easily in combination with the penalties trade away their depth and require another rebuild. The Braves have invested in starting pitching and fans want to trade for a starting pitcher. To me that says the Braves aren't ready to go into this head first. I vehemently disagree with anyone saying we should trade for Machado. That's an easy first step to take towards a rebuild a few years down the line.
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Post by peteorr on Jun 12, 2018 21:27:39 GMT -5
So Folty is down. I don't know how severe the injury is. Before tonight I was in on possibly getting a 3B and a reliever. I'm not sure I want to go that far anymore. Selling could even be a possibility. I really don't know any longer.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 12, 2018 21:58:01 GMT -5
So Folty is down. I don't know how severe the injury is. Before tonight I was in on possibly getting a 3B and a reliever. I'm not sure I want to go that far anymore. Selling could even be a possibility. I really don't know any longer. It’s not that severe. Scott Kazmir had a similar issue back in 2014 and made his next start, as well as finishing the year without issue.
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Post by peteorr on Jun 12, 2018 22:05:20 GMT -5
The same Kazmir who was obtained in the trade for fellow legend Adrian Gonzalez?
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Jun 13, 2018 19:51:37 GMT -5
BrycemanCometh, have you gotten to your offseason plans yet? Catcher: Stay put here if possible. Lucroy was always an option here and could be again if he would again sign for cheap. He's looking like he might have to sign for cheap again, but I'm guessing he would only do so if he was given a majority of the playing time and I'm not sure if the Braves would be willing to go that far. Again, stick with what we have if possible. 1B: Freeman under contract SS/2B: Albies will of course take one of these spots. The Braves need to upgrade from Swanson in the offseason. Who would the Braves sign/trade for? Brian Dozier hasn't started the season well. He still could be a good signing. Elvis Andrus? Daniel Murphy? Dansby can learn 3B and 1B during the offseason and be the second utility player or be traded. 3B: Riley will be on the MLB team at the start of the 2019 season at the latest barring injury Outfield: Acuna, Markakis, Pollock or other? As of now I'm all in on keeping Markakis. Ender would be traded. Starting pitchers: Allard, Soroka, Gohara, Newcomb, Folty As a veteran Teheran would have to be in the rotation or traded. The Braves would still have Fried and Wisler as depth. I don't anticipate the Braves signing an ace. The Braves currently have one of the best teams in the NL. Three major signings/trades (2B or SS/OF/Reliever) would make the team quite strong and they would go as far as their young pitching could take them. It's about time I got to this... You want extensions? I'll give you extensions. The Braves will have something like $80 million to spend this off-season, so how about they just spend less than half of that? Lineup: 1. 2B - Albies 2. RF - Acuna 3. 1B - Freeman 4. LF – AJ Pollock – 5 years; $100 million 5. Ca - Suzuki 6. CF - Inciarte 7. SS - Swanson 8. 3B - Riley Bench: 1. Ca - Brian McCann - 2 years; $12 million (That's being more than generous) 2. UT - Camargo 3. UT - Pick a player 4. OF - Tucker 5. OF - Peterson Rotation:* 1. Foltynewicz 2. Newcomb 3. Soroka 4. Gohara 5. Allard *Teheran traded during the off-season for prospects of some kind. Bullpen: LR: Fried MR: Carle MR: Biddle MR: Winkler SU: Minter SU: Vizcaino CL: Jeurys Familia – 4 years; $48 million I got you thinking this was all about signing young guys to extensions, but jokes on you, what this is really about is saving money for after next season so the Braves can sign MadBum to 7 years; $175 million!
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Post by peteorr on Jun 14, 2018 15:31:47 GMT -5
Bumgarner was hurt last year for roughly half the season and has made all of two starts this year. Unless things change, he's not the guy you should be holding out for.
I wouldn't have said this a year ago. Given how both Inciarte and Markakis have played this season, I'd rather have Markakis if we have players capable of playing CF and we would in both Acuna and Pollock. I'd like to see how chronically injured Pollock performs over the rest of the season. He can give all-star and perhaps even beyond production as he showed briefly this season. However, it matters not what he is capable of if he can't stay on the field.
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