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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 1, 2021 11:07:01 GMT -5
UH...OH!!! Braves, Rangers Interested In Matt Olson Braves are just doing their due diligence in the event that they don’t get a deal done with Freddie. Olson is not a bad plan B, but would be costly prospect wise. That being said - PAY THE MAN and make it a moot point. Agree... to not kick the tires on backup plans would be foolish, and it means little.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 1, 2021 11:08:42 GMT -5
Yes, 6/$180 certainly seems like a fair price for Freddie. No doubt about it, BUT........what if he loses it in 3 years? Not saying that will happen (most likely it won't), but it does happen. I remember how Dale Murphy dropped off a cliff. He was traded to the Rox mostly to try and get his 400th homer, IIRC, and couldn't do it. He was below league average at age 33 and 34, bounced back a bit and was slightly above league average at age 35, but that was it. He was finished. He was the franchise icon, the All-American boy, the whole 9 yards, just like Freddie. Freddie puts up better numbers than Murphy did, too, which is certainly in his favor. I WANT FREDDIE FREEMAN in a Braves uniform, but this decision is not as simple as it looks. Were he 2 or 3 years younger, it would be a no-brainer. At age 32, it's a little different. I mean, come on. $180 million is a LOT of money, Liberty is more business oriented than some other teams, and they're not just gonna throw around that much cash. So just to clarify... 6 for 180, and you are doing that deal, correct?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 11:15:32 GMT -5
UH...OH!!! Braves, Rangers Interested In Matt Olson Braves are just doing their due diligence in the event that they don’t get a deal done with Freddie. Olson is not a bad plan B, but would be costly prospect wise. That being said - PAY THE MAN and make it a moot point. Sure will cost plenty prospect wise and for a good portion of this forum they will not like what it will cost. Someone will give the A's close if not more than what they want. My guess is that it will cost Pache and two young arms like Tucker Davidson and Spencer Strider. I don't know if that would get it done, that is my revised guess of what I think it might take. Might even need to throw in another guy. Whomever. Just depends on the auction and what other teams offer to get it done. Another thing that has been written about is to trade for Chapman and move Riley over. That too will not be cheap in prospect capital. Similar give back. I don't think we want to move Riley off third. Hey, the best thing is Plan A but we just do not know what is really going on. The player (Freddie) seems reasonable. But it takes two. Anthony Rizzo? He really does seem to be in decline. Might want to pass. Another plan is to get a Colin Moran type - league average OPS+ guy who would not cost much. More like a plan C type of thing There are plenty of Plan C and D's out there. I don't know why Pittsburgh just DFAed him he is not that bad a player.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 1, 2021 12:14:01 GMT -5
The Braves have to act interested in Olson to send a signal to Freddie. You can’t let him just feel like he doesn’t have some competition and that we’re counting on him signing. It puts a thought in his mind and you have to do it.,
We screwed up by not extending him before this season or even the one before. Don’t let it get to this point. Dansby won’t be as dramatic but they’ll avoid this fiasco with him.
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Post by maverick86 on Dec 1, 2021 13:00:17 GMT -5
Wow. If it’s about years and that makes FF walk, I can understand from FF end. Now if FF does leave I don’t mind Olson at all. We can even include Ozuna and pay his salary. I just don’t want him back at all.
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Post by bravesbobblehead on Dec 1, 2021 13:15:20 GMT -5
I think the AA and Cashman are using Freddie and the A's to lower the price on Freeman for the Braves and lower the cost of trading for Olson for the Yankees. I don't see Freddie leaving but that doesn't mean the Braves can just low ball him and assume he won't leave.
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Post by PABraveFan on Dec 1, 2021 14:28:31 GMT -5
Braves are just doing their due diligence in the event that they don’t get a deal done with Freddie. Olson is not a bad plan B, but would be costly prospect wise. That being said - PAY THE MAN and make it a moot point. Agree... to not kick the tires on backup plans would be foolish, and it means little. I didn't mean to insinuate that the Braves wouldn't sign Freddie but it's just surprising that it has gotten to this point were they are actually looking at other players to play 1B...just in case. It's really surprising to see a headline that says the Braves are "interested" in Olson.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 1, 2021 14:39:41 GMT -5
Agree... to not kick the tires on backup plans would be foolish, and it means little. I didn't mean to insinuate that the Braves wouldn't sign Freddie but it's just surprising that it has gotten to this point were they are actually looking at other players to play 1B...just in case. It's really surprising to see a headline that says the Braves are "interested" in Olson. Headlines are designed to be sensationalistic to make sure they get the clicks. "Interested" can mean nothing more than "mentioned as a possibility to maybe think about".
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 1, 2021 16:00:09 GMT -5
Agree... to not kick the tires on backup plans would be foolish, and it means little. I didn't mean to insinuate that the Braves wouldn't sign Freddie but it's just surprising that it has gotten to this point were they are actually looking at other players to play 1B...just in case. It's really surprising to see a headline that says the Braves are "interested" in Olson. It's also a smokescreen to keep Freddie from thinking he is our only option. Can't just let him openly think it's just him so he can expect to get whatever he wants. But his side probably realizes that. Given the level of prospects Olson would cost us and that he'd gone after a few years, they probably realize Olson is not really an option. Not compared to just going ahead and paying Freddie.
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Post by TomlinFoolery on Dec 1, 2021 16:30:34 GMT -5
If they wont do 6/180, thats 100% on Liberty Media, and not AA. If it was all up to AA. This deal would have been done last week.
Liberty Media will forever be viewed as villains if they refuse to let AA sign freddie for 6/180
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 1, 2021 18:28:28 GMT -5
If they wont do 6/180, thats 100% on Liberty Media, and not AA. If it was all up to AA. This deal would have been done last week. Liberty Media will forever be viewed as villains if they refuse to let AA sign freddie for 6/180 You have no way of knowing that whatsoever. There is zero evidence that anyone from LM directly interferes with how the Braves operate. They probably have financial expectations, but they do not dictate what the people running the team do or do not do.
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Post by SuperBrave on Dec 1, 2021 19:01:36 GMT -5
It is in both the Braves and Freeman's interest to sign a deal.
Get er done!
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 1, 2021 20:02:56 GMT -5
Yes, 6/$180 certainly seems like a fair price for Freddie. No doubt about it, BUT........what if he loses it in 3 years? Not saying that will happen (most likely it won't), but it does happen. I remember how Dale Murphy dropped off a cliff. He was traded to the Rox mostly to try and get his 400th homer, IIRC, and couldn't do it. He was below league average at age 33 and 34, bounced back a bit and was slightly above league average at age 35, but that was it. He was finished. He was the franchise icon, the All-American boy, the whole 9 yards, just like Freddie. Freddie puts up better numbers than Murphy did, too, which is certainly in his favor. I WANT FREDDIE FREEMAN in a Braves uniform, but this decision is not as simple as it looks. Were he 2 or 3 years younger, it would be a no-brainer. At age 32, it's a little different. I mean, come on. $180 million is a LOT of money, Liberty is more business oriented than some other teams, and they're not just gonna throw around that much cash. So just to clarify... 6 for 180, and you are doing that deal, correct? Sure, why not? Ain’t my money. Freddie’s a better risk than most to bet that kind of contract on. My question is this……If the Braves have offered 5 years already, why ask for 6? It’s not as if the Braves haven’t treated him extremely well already.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Dec 1, 2021 20:16:56 GMT -5
So just to clarify... 6 for 180, and you are doing that deal, correct? Sure, why not? Ain’t my money. Freddie’s a better risk than most to bet that kind of contract on. My question is this……If the Braves have offered 5 years already, why ask for 6? It’s not as if the Braves haven’t treated him extremely well already. Because he has to have monies for his grandkids to goez to college.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 1, 2021 21:07:58 GMT -5
Sure, why not? Ain’t my money. Freddie’s a better risk than most to bet that kind of contract on. My question is this……If the Braves have offered 5 years already, why ask for 6? It’s not as if the Braves haven’t treated him extremely well already. Because he has to have monies for his grandkids to goez to college. His grandkids will probably be a bunch of dope smoking losers since they’ll never have to work a day in their lives.
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