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Post by keystone61 on Jan 7, 2020 13:53:02 GMT -5
Nice job, Uck!
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 7, 2020 14:07:10 GMT -5
I've read that before.
It's not that I don't want him on the team, just don't like the cost and the risk.
Screw it. Give him his 4/$100 and let's win a World Series..........he wants one BAD, and this team needs his fire. I don't give a damn how stiff he is!
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 7, 2020 14:14:38 GMT -5
I've read that before.
It's not that I don't want him on the team, just don't like the cost and the risk.
Screw it. Give him his 4/$100 and let's win a World Series.......... he wants one BAD, and this team needs his fire. I don't give a damn how stiff he is! Just not bad enough to give us a hometown discount, which could give us some more financial flexibility and help us in the short and long run
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 7, 2020 14:18:03 GMT -5
Screw it. Give him his 4/$100 and let's win a World Series.......... he wants one BAD, and this team needs his fire. I don't give a damn how stiff he is! Just not bad enough to give us a hometown discount, which could give us some more financial flexibility and help us in the short and long run Well, we don't know that yet. I just wish he'd make the call so we can move forward. I'm sure the Dodgers would be a tempting offer for him, as would the gnats. He knows about what he's gonna get paid, so why not make the call???
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Post by littlebeast1 on Jan 7, 2020 14:31:23 GMT -5
Just not bad enough to give us a hometown discount, which could give us some more financial flexibility and help us in the short and long run Well, we don't know that yet. I just wish he'd make the call so we can move forward. I'm sure the Dodgers would be a tempting offer for him, as would the gnats. He knows about what he's gonna get paid, so why not make the call??? Amen to that
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 7, 2020 15:09:27 GMT -5
Well supposedly he’s wanting $110M and I guess that’s the hold up. If we had offered him three years and $75M that would have been too much in my opinion for the risk involved.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 7, 2020 15:40:58 GMT -5
Well supposedly he’s wanting $110M and I guess that’s the hold up. If we had offered him three years and $75M that would have been too much in my opinion for the risk involved. I'm obviously a lot different from these guys in more ways than just the numbers on my bank statements.
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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 7, 2020 17:33:39 GMT -5
ATLANTA -- Though offseason projections are often tarnished by the inevitable unpredictability of the regular season, it seems safe to predict Josh Donaldson’s decision will significantly influence the National League East race in each of the next four seasons.
The Braves and Nationals still appear to be the favorites to land Donaldson, who is seeking a four-year deal worth at least $100 million. The Twins have been in the mix, but their hopes have become pessimistic, according to a Minneapolis Star-Tribune report published on Monday.
The Rangers have appeared to turn their attention elsewhere, and they may now attempt to sign Todd Frazier to fill their need for a third baseman. There’s still a chance that the Dodgers could become a player. But MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has reported that the Braves, Nationals and Twins are the only teams to have extended a four-year offer.
Financial specifics of the offers are not known. But the Twins’ pessimism suggests an unwillingness to approach the $110 million offer Donaldson is seeking. If the Nationals have come close to satisfying the third baseman’s financial wish, there’s certainly reason to believe their offer includes deferrals similar to what they have included in deals for many of their top players over the past decade. Donaldson's 2020 options
Jan 6th, 2020
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So why has a decision not been made?
Some industry sources doubt the Braves have come close to making what stands as the top offer. All things being equal, it has been assumed Donaldson would return to Atlanta. At the same time, the 2015 American League Most Valuable Player Award winner has the right to continue waiting with the hope that he will eventually get what he is seeking.
The Nationals have recently signed three veteran infielders -- Starlin Castro, Asdrúbal Cabrera and Eric Thames. This trio, combined with Howie Kendrick and possibly Ryan Zimmerman, gives the reigning world champions plenty of corner-infield options. But even with their projected luxury tax payroll now slightly above $200 million -- $8 million below the penalty threshold – the Nats have indicated that they are still hopeful to land Donaldson.
Regardless of whether the Nationals are still truly in the mix or just attempting to continue bargaining against the Braves, the fact remains that Atlanta has not yet satisfied Donaldson’s wish.
Throughout this bargaining process, there have been questions about whether the Braves would be willing to make a four-year offer to the 34-year-old Donaldson, who hit 37 homers with a .900 OPS for Atlanta last year.
Donaldson was undoubtedly one of the game’s greatest players during the 2010s. But the question is whether he’ll continue to be elite like Chipper Jones was in his later 30s or experience the kind of regression that would create buyer’s remorse. Braves' status on Donaldson
Jan 6th, 2020
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1:58 Braves' status on Donaldson
Along with projecting how Donaldson might perform during these years, Braves general manager Alex Anthopoulos must also evaluate the payroll fit. Atlanta has the financial flexibility necessary to sign Donaldson this year and push its 2020 payroll close to $160 million.
Donaldson would also comfortably fit in 2021, when Cole Hamels and Mark Melancon will both come off the books. But it’s more pressing to look at how this contract might fit over what would be the final two years of the deal.
At some point before the end of the 2021 season, there’s reason to believe the Braves will extend Freddie Freeman at an average annual value of slightly more than $25 million. In '22, Ronald Acuña Jr.’s salary will jump from $5 million to $15 million, and both Mike Soroka and Max Fried will be entering their second arbitration-eligible seasons.
Acuña and Ozzie Albies, who will make $5 million in 2022, will almost certainly still be considered big bargains at that point, and the developments of Cristian Pache, Ian Anderson and other top prospects could further strengthen the club’s long-term financial flexibility. But these projections, especially the uncertain ones tagged to arbitration-eligible players, have to be accounted for before making the kind of four-year deal Donaldson is seeking.
Mark Bowman has covered the Braves for MLB.com since 2001.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 7, 2020 18:26:08 GMT -5
ATLANTA -- Though offseason projections are often tarnished by the inevitable unpredictability of the regular season, it seems safe to predict Josh Donaldson’s decision will significantly influence the National League East race in each of the next four seasons.The Braves and Nationals still appear to be the favorites to land Donaldson, who is seeking a four-year deal worth at least $100 million. The Twins have been in the mix, but their hopes have become pessimistic, according to a Minneapolis Star-Tribune report published on Monday. The Rangers have appeared to turn their attention elsewhere, and they may now attempt to sign Todd Frazier to fill their need for a third baseman. There’s still a chance that the Dodgers could become a player. But MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has reported that the Braves, Nationals and Twins are the only teams to have extended a four-year offer. Financial specifics of the offers are not known. But the Twins’ pessimism suggests an unwillingness to approach the $110 million offer Donaldson is seeking. If the Nationals have come close to satisfying the third baseman’s financial wish, there’s certainly reason to believe their offer includes deferrals similar to what they have included in deals for many of their top players over the past decade. Donaldson's 2020 options Jan 6th, 2020 · 3:13 Donaldson's 2020 options So why has a decision not been made? Some industry sources doubt the Braves have come close to making what stands as the top offer. All things being equal, it has been assumed Donaldson would return to Atlanta. At the same time, the 2015 American League Most Valuable Player Award winner has the right to continue waiting with the hope that he will eventually get what he is seeking. The Nationals have recently signed three veteran infielders -- Starlin Castro, Asdrúbal Cabrera and Eric Thames. This trio, combined with Howie Kendrick and possibly Ryan Zimmerman, gives the reigning world champions plenty of corner-infield options. But even with their projected luxury tax payroll now slightly above $200 million -- $8 million below the penalty threshold – the Nats have indicated that they are still hopeful to land Donaldson. Regardless of whether the Nationals are still truly in the mix or just attempting to continue bargaining against the Braves, the fact remains that Atlanta has not yet satisfied Donaldson’s wish. Throughout this bargaining process, there have been questions about whether the Braves would be willing to make a four-year offer to the 34-year-old Donaldson, who hit 37 homers with a .900 OPS for Atlanta last year. Donaldson was undoubtedly one of the game’s greatest players during the 2010s. But the question is whether he’ll continue to be elite like Chipper Jones was in his later 30s or experience the kind of regression that would create buyer’s remorse. Braves' status on Donaldson Jan 6th, 2020 · 1:58 Braves' status on Donaldson Along with projecting how Donaldson might perform during these years, Braves general manager Alex Anthopoulos must also evaluate the payroll fit. Atlanta has the financial flexibility necessary to sign Donaldson this year and push its 2020 payroll close to $160 million. Donaldson would also comfortably fit in 2021, when Cole Hamels and Mark Melancon will both come off the books. But it’s more pressing to look at how this contract might fit over what would be the final two years of the deal. At some point before the end of the 2021 season, there’s reason to believe the Braves will extend Freddie Freeman at an average annual value of slightly more than $25 million. In '22, Ronald Acuña Jr.’s salary will jump from $5 million to $15 million, and both Mike Soroka and Max Fried will be entering their second arbitration-eligible seasons. Acuña and Ozzie Albies, who will make $5 million in 2022, will almost certainly still be considered big bargains at that point, and the developments of Cristian Pache, Ian Anderson and other top prospects could further strengthen the club’s long-term financial flexibility. But these projections, especially the uncertain ones tagged to arbitration-eligible players, have to be accounted for before making the kind of four-year deal Donaldson is seeking. Mark Bowman has covered the Braves for MLB.com since 2001. That first sentence I have highlighted--I think "significantly influence the national league East the next four years" is quite an exaggeration. I've never felt one "superstar" player makes THAT much of a difference, it's too much of a team sport. He's a really nice piece if he stays healthy and produces and certainly helps a lot, but no one player has a significant impact on any division. See Bryce Harper.
The second sentence I have highlighted, I sure hope that's true, because 4 years $110M for him at this point in his career is ignorant desperation in my opinion. And as you can imagine, on all the other forums I read and post on it's pretty universal that people are saying the Braves would be stupid nuts to do that deal.
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Post by hokiedan on Jan 7, 2020 18:48:45 GMT -5
Some people would argue that Anthony Rendon made a significant difference...but that would discount the contributions of Soto as well as Corbin, Scherzer and Strasburg.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 7, 2020 19:32:44 GMT -5
Some people would argue that Anthony Rendon made a significant difference...but that would discount the contributions of Soto as well as Corbin, Scherzer and Strasburg. I can't disagree, but to say a 34 year old guy is going to have that kind of effect on a division for four years is a stretch to me. The Gnats didn't even win the division this year, and they did have a lot of role players step up and help too, you always have to in this sport. Rendon just put of something like 25 WAR over the last four years and it didn't really impact the whole division for four years.
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Post by keystone61 on Jan 7, 2020 19:44:37 GMT -5
I think the gnats are just trying to drive up the price. JMO, of course. They wouldn't pay Rendon $35 but will pay Donaldson $28, plus they've signed a bunch of infielders in the past week? I'm not believing they're still in it. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by mauibravefan on Jan 7, 2020 19:50:52 GMT -5
Some people would argue that Anthony Rendon made a significant difference...but that would discount the contributions of Soto as well as Corbin, Scherzer and Strasburg. Does saying Freeman made a significant difference discount the contributions of Acuna ,Oz,Soroka?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 7, 2020 20:08:31 GMT -5
I mean Freeman and Rendon are no Danny Santana, let's face it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Jan 7, 2020 20:37:20 GMT -5
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