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Post by Cheaters2 on Dec 4, 2019 14:48:33 GMT -5
What will Teheran get is a good question. He is better than some gave him credit for, if a bum like Pomerantz can get 4/34 and Porcello get a multi yr deal in the 12 or so mil a yr range (MLB network talk) than can Julio get in the 12 to 15 mil per range? I don't know, but JT does give you 175 IP and 10 ish wins a yr, that is a very respectable SP in today's game Oh yes, an ERA below 4 too I am guessing JT gets 7-11 per yr maybe 3 yrs and probably with somEone like the pirates
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 4, 2019 14:53:05 GMT -5
The main thing I like about signing Hamels is that it's only one year. That gives us one more year to see if one or two of the young guns can break out. If that doesn't happen this year, we probably bite the bullet after that. It's probably a smart move overall.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Dec 4, 2019 14:56:33 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 4, 2019 15:00:14 GMT -5
Wheeler reportedly gets 5/$118. Is it just me or is that nuts?
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Post by wncbravesfan on Dec 4, 2019 15:07:26 GMT -5
Kelsey Wingert @kelswingert The #Braves make it official. They have signed LHP Cole Hamels to a one-year, $18 million deal. He went 7-7 with a 3.81 ERA in 27 starts for the #Cubs last season, his 14th consecutive season of 20 or more starts. Hamels holds a career 3.42 ERA in 421 starts. @foxsportsbraves
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 4, 2019 16:18:47 GMT -5
lol, that's probably exactly what will happen. The one thing I don't like is he only averaged about 5 IP per game last year so he's going to tax our pen. $18M is a lot of money for a guy who isn't anything real special at this point and can only give you 5 innings every game. He'll slide into Julio's spot perfectly in that regard.
I really wish we would have signed Bumgarner instead.
You could have gotten the same numbers with Julio for a lot less money. This is aimed at appeasing the fans because of Hamels "name". Perfect example of paying for past performance not future expectations. I think Hamels has a higher ceiling than Teheran and maybe if we make the post season we won't be leaving Cole off the roster. More money or not, I don't ever again want to watch Julio pitch for the Braves.
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Post by akod on Dec 4, 2019 16:20:54 GMT -5
Wheeler reportedly gets 5/$118. Is it just me or is that nuts? It’s just a lot of risk especially when we see teams just immediately regret their decisions on some of these older pitchers. I mean not even getting 1 strong season out of a guy type deals. The amount is so much bigger when you are talking about an underachieving or sunk cost. Just ask the Red Sox.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 4, 2019 16:32:18 GMT -5
You could have gotten the same numbers with Julio for a lot less money. This is aimed at appeasing the fans because of Hamels "name". Perfect example of paying for past performance not future expectations. I think Hamels has a higher ceiling than Teheran and maybe if we make the post season we won't be leaving Cole off the roster. More money or not, I don't ever again want to watch Julio pitch for the Braves. Exactly. I like and respect the hell out of Julio, I really do, but watching him pitch is just...............exhausting.
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Post by keystone61 on Dec 4, 2019 16:41:59 GMT -5
Wheeler reportedly gets 5/$118. Is it just me or is that nuts? It’s just a lot of risk especially when we see teams just immediately regret their decisions on some of these older pitchers. I mean not even getting 1 strong season out of a guy type deals. The amount is so much bigger when you are talking about an underachieving or sunk cost. Just ask the Red Sox. I have to ask myself this question when I see that. This board knows how frustrated I am with Folty (no, I don't hate him, I just don't trust him). Anyway, the question is this........would I pay Folty $100 million for the next 5 years in hopes that he could finally fulfill his potential? That's sorta what they're doing with Wheeler. He is MAYBE a bit better risk from a pitching standpoint, but not by much at all.
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Post by bourjosgeorge on Dec 4, 2019 19:18:20 GMT -5
You could have gotten the same numbers with Julio for a lot less money. This is aimed at appeasing the fans because of Hamels "name". Perfect example of paying for past performance not future expectations. I think Hamels has a higher ceiling than Teheran and maybe if we make the post season we won't be leaving Cole off the roster. More money or not, I don't ever again want to watch Julio pitch for the Braves. I agree mucho. Watching Teheran pitch for the Braves is hemorrhoidal. Camel Hole might just be a good addition.
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 4, 2019 20:46:14 GMT -5
So, read the news on Hamels. I don’t really expect much from him, but it’s a one year deal, so....whatevs. One thing I’m interested in is that it looks like payroll will have to be increased. On mlb, it’s saying that Braves are still interested in JD.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Dec 4, 2019 22:45:06 GMT -5
I expect Hamels to go around 12-10 with an ERA right around 4.
I expect I will enjoy watching his games about 7 times as much as Julio Teheran games.
If we make the post-season, I bet he's consistent enough to be on the roster without getting there due to injury.
Honestly, and I've said this forever; we were never really in the market for a TOR guy at the prices going around now. Our SP success depends on Soroka/Folty/Fried.
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Post by mauibravefan on Dec 4, 2019 22:55:34 GMT -5
From ESPN--Is there another move to make? The Braves are currently at an estimated $158 million in payroll, $20 million higher than last season and the highest they have ever run, but that still doesn't project as a top-10 payroll. Although adding another bat or pitcher makes sense, Liberty Media's tightfisted fiscal priorities suggest this is probably it for the Braves. T
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 4, 2019 23:57:41 GMT -5
From ESPN--Is there another move to make? The Braves are currently at an estimated $158 million in payroll, $20 million higher than last season and the highest they have ever run, but that still doesn't project as a top-10 payroll. Although adding another bat or pitcher makes sense, Liberty Media's tightfisted fiscal priorities suggest this is probably it for the Braves. T They're gonna raise payroll. If they're still pursuing JD then it has to at least be on the table. That being said, I think it's far more likely that the Braves make a trade, that sheds some payroll, and replaces it with another player. Someone like Bryant? Lindor? Betts?
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Post by TheCoronaManCometh on Dec 5, 2019 0:13:23 GMT -5
Haven't gone back to look. Has anyone talked about the potential of Hamels helping Fried becoming a better all-around pitcher? I do like the potentiality of that.
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