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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 17, 2019 23:46:13 GMT -5
I'd love to have him too if we knew we were getting the pre 2018 dude. It's so hard to say what to expect from him now, I have no clue how to even begin to estimate what would be a fair money risk on him. He pitched 0.2 innings in 2019. Shoulder issues then a torn Achilles.
But I doubt we would have signed Smith if we had Betances on our radar. Maybe if we can offload Melancon, even if we have to eat some of his contract.....
From 2014 to 2018 (five seasons) these were Betances’ rankings among relievers (PinstripeAlley):
Third in K/9 (14.63) Eight in ERA (2.22) Fourth in FIP (2.26) Third in xFIP (2.28) Second in fWAR (11.2) Second in holds (117) First in innings pitched (373.1 IP) First in strikeouts (607) Fourth in K% (40.3) Sixth in SIERA (2.17) Eighth-lowest contact percentage (65.5)
That’s why I want him. He will be a cheap lotto ticket that could pay off in a big way. I also want Martin back. Keep Melancon. I'm not so sure Betances will be cheap. If he was I'd be all in favor of it.
I'd be fine with Melancon if we were paying him about half of what we are, he's sure eating up a large chunk of money for a guy who doesn't impress me much at this point in his career.
I think for the money we'd have to pay Martin we have a couple options that would be better and maybe cheaper too. I know it wasn't his fault, but Martin coming up gimp at a moment in the playoffs that really hurt us sticks in my craw too, and I may be holding it against him a little.
I'd love to see us build a strong pen but not at a cost that keeps us from a significant upgrade at catcher. Who knows, maybe Liberty Media will go berzerker and let AA spend at will, lol......we can dream anyway.
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Post by akod on Nov 18, 2019 0:39:34 GMT -5
I wish Melancon was cheaper as well but it’s one year and I’m not sure how much of an upgrade we get. Say a team is willing to take half his salary as a dump with a nothing prospect in return. What bigger upgrade are we getting with that other half of his salary? Still spending the same amount. I think AA is happy loading up so that he isn’t buying more rental relievers with prospects at the deadline. If we do indeed get to spend 144 mil like the end of last year then I will be jacked if we find a way to land Grandal and Bum. May take a bit deferred to next year but I’m down.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 18, 2019 1:01:54 GMT -5
I wish Melancon was cheaper as well but it’s one year and I’m not sure how much of an upgrade we get. Say a team is willing to take half his salary as a dump with a nothing prospect in return. What bigger upgrade are we getting with that other half of his salary? Still spending the same amount. I think AA is happy loading up so that he isn’t buying more rental relievers with prospects at the deadline. If we do indeed get to spend 144 mil like the end of last year then I will be jacked if we find a way to land Grandal and Bum. May take a bit deferred to next year but I’m down. I can agree with that, what concerns me is nickel and diming our way our of MadBum and/or Grandal, and by nickel and diming I really mean millioning and millioning. We've spent $6M on Markakis, $6M on Flowers, then we have that $27.5M spent on Smith and Melancon for two bullpen spots. As tight as we've been over the years there's a side of me that fears we'll be stuck signing Julio and Wieters now instead of Bumgarner and Grandal.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 18, 2019 15:24:21 GMT -5
I saw this trade on BR and I love it what would you guys think about it..
Reds Trade: Luis Castillo, Tucker Barnhart, & Amir Garrett
Braves Trade: Kyle Wright, Cristian Pache, Bryse Wilson, William Contreras & Touki Toussaint
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 18, 2019 15:51:06 GMT -5
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 18, 2019 16:09:12 GMT -5
this is a great trade gives the braves an Ace through 2024 and a great RP through 2024. And we lose nothing we cant replace with equal talent we have in minors now. Wright and touki will not be missed at ALL.
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Post by akod on Nov 18, 2019 16:19:11 GMT -5
I want to punch you in the face
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Post by hokiedan on Nov 18, 2019 16:21:31 GMT -5
That is way too much to give up
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Post by akod on Nov 18, 2019 16:58:45 GMT -5
Harts we need a trade proposals tread pinned for good. Maybe we could teach some of these guys who refuse to learn by showing them where their trade proposals would have us if they were made.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Nov 18, 2019 18:01:07 GMT -5
Harts we need a trade proposals tread pinned for good. Maybe we could teach some of these guys who refuse to learn by showing them where their trade proposals would have us if they were made. Our team would look like this:
1st year: 95 wins 2nd year: 80 wins 3rd year: 62 wins 4th year: 40 wins 5th year: 26 wins 6th year: 8 wins 7th year: 4 wins 8th year: 3 wins 9th year: 3 wins 10th year: 2 wins
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 18, 2019 18:09:37 GMT -5
Why do we need a separate tread? Isn't this one the exact place for crazy trade proposals? During the off-season when site traffic is down, it usually only makes things worse to try and get too many treads going.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Nov 18, 2019 18:20:53 GMT -5
this is a great trade gives the braves an Ace through 2024 and a great RP through 2024. And we lose nothing we cant replace with equal talent we have in minors now. Wright and touki will not be missed at ALL. By the time 2021 or 2022 comes around, there is a real chance that Wright will be the guy you wish you had. Tucker isn't even worth mentioning. Garret walked 5.6 per 9. I think that trade gives up too much. Much too much. I value those guys more than just a little.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 18, 2019 18:41:11 GMT -5
this is a great trade gives the braves an Ace through 2024 and a great RP through 2024. And we lose nothing we cant replace with equal talent we have in minors now. Wright and touki will not be missed at ALL. By the time 2021 or 2022 comes around, there is a real chance that Wright will be the guy you wish you had. Tucker isn't even worth mentioning. Garret walked 5.6 per 9. I think that trade gives up too much. Much too much. I value those guys more than just a little. but you also have to consider Wright will not be a brave in 2021 the way he is pitching he may fizzle out and not be worth trading in 2021 like Wisler.. I keep seeing Fried and Anderson and Wright listed in every potential trade that I'd say 2 of them probably go. And I want to keep Fried above every pitcher we have except Soroka.
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Post by Cheaters2 on Nov 18, 2019 18:45:07 GMT -5
If the Yankees trade Miguel Andujar what would you guys consider a fair package? They are saying Atlanta is in on him. And predicting Fried and Davidson as the package for me Fried is an untouchable. I'd do Newk, Touki and Davidson
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Post by mauibravefan on Nov 18, 2019 18:47:41 GMT -5
If the Yankees trade Miguel Andujar what would you guys consider a fair package? They are saying Atlanta is in on him. And predicting Fried and Davidson as the package for me Fried is an untouchable. I'd do Newk, Touki and Davidson how about Davidson and Markakis
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