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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 4, 2019 9:50:09 GMT -5
"These things happen" just doesn't cut it. No, these things don't just happen. Striking out in the bottom of the 9th with the game on the line during the 7th game of the World Series is something that just happens; not hustling out of the box is not something that just happens. Not exactly apologetic, but hopefully GAPOZ got through to him after the game. Like GAPOZ go through to him the last 5 times its happened? I'm not counting on it... no fault of Ozzy, but I'm not.
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Post by rennymadeit on Oct 4, 2019 10:38:41 GMT -5
Teheran will replace Martin FWIW
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 4, 2019 10:54:35 GMT -5
Right-hander Julio Teheran will replace injured reliever Chris Martin on the Braves’ postseason roster, the team announced Friday morning. Mark Bowman of MLB.com tweets that with Teheran now on board, he’ll likely draw the starting nod in a theoretical Game 4, with lefty Max Fried continuing on as a relief option for the rest of the series.
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 4, 2019 10:56:16 GMT -5
Oh I didn’t know morons were grading 4 2/3s inning as a quality outing now days, thanks for the lesson. Well then, you haven't been paying much attention to playoff baseball for the past 20 years or so, have you? Sorry, but you don’t get to override the book definition just because the calendar rolled to October. “A Quality start. In baseball, a quality start is a statistic for a starting pitcher defined as a game in which the pitcher completes at least six innings and permits no more than three earned runs.”
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Post by bourjosgeorge on Oct 4, 2019 10:56:28 GMT -5
"These things happen" just doesn't cut it. No, these things don't just happen. Striking out in the bottom of the 9th with the game on the line during the 7th game of the World Series is something that just happens; not hustling out of the box is not something that just happens. Not exactly apologetic, but hopefully GAPOZ got through to him after the game. Like GAPOZ go through to him the last 5 times its happened? I'm not counting on it... no fault of Ozzy, but I'm not. Getting hit in the nads with a fastball might humble him,,,, that's just baseball, Acuna.
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 4, 2019 11:05:11 GMT -5
DeRosa blew the Braves up. Great. He mentioned many that’s been said here already.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 4, 2019 11:18:44 GMT -5
I figure one of 2 things will happen. We will either rally around last night's issues and come out with a take no prisoners attitude and kick ass, or we will let the issues be the story and leave the playoffs with a whimper. I really don't think there's anything in between at this point. And the problem is now we face the best pitcher in baseball over his last 16 starts, he has a 1.00 ERA during that run. Pretty easy to envision us getting shut down now today. Knowing Flaherty is pitching today makes all of last night’s B.S. that much more aggravating.
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 4, 2019 11:19:39 GMT -5
I figure one of 2 things will happen. We will either rally around last night's issues and come out with a take no prisoners attitude and kick ass, or we will let the issues be the story and leave the playoffs with a whimper. I really don't think there's anything in between at this point. And the problem is now we face the best pitcher in baseball over his last 16 starts, he has a 1.00 ERA during that run. Pretty easy to envision us getting shut down now today. Knowing Flaherty is pitching today makes all of last night’s B.S. that much more aggravating. Agreed
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Post by turnerfield on Oct 4, 2019 11:20:04 GMT -5
This was classic Atlanta sports, guys. It's easy to fault certain decisions in hindsight, but in the moment, I don't think Snit did anything terribly wrong.
We can blame Acuna for his blunders. That's legit even though it's not what ultimately cost us the game.
I thought Snit had a decent plan. Greene came in the 6th to face a tough part of the order. Fried was the 7th. Martin was going to be the 8th. Melancon the 9th. Luke wasn't even part of the original plan.
Losing Martin is what lead to the downfall at the end. This is the type of BS I've been used to my entire life as a Braves fan. Too young to remember the days when we used to get past the division series.
Fredi G leaving Kimbrel in the pen in 2013? That was a real reason to get mad at the manager.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 4, 2019 11:21:09 GMT -5
Reminds me of 2010 when Derek Lowe got the ball hwen he wasn’t deserving just because he was the highest paid. I don’t have to remind any of you how that turned out. Do I even need to bother to mention Chris Reitsma loyalty in the playoffs?
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 4, 2019 11:25:14 GMT -5
Reminds me of 2010 when Derek Lowe got the ball hwen he wasn’t deserving just because he was the highest paid. I don’t have to remind any of you how that turned out. Look, Keuchel didn't pitch his best, but at the end of the day, he gave up one run in 4 and 2/3rds, so blaming him is stupid, but hey, stupid is what you do, right? Keuchel was so shaky it forced Snitker to go to our pen too early and started the whole bullpen fiasco. He only gave up one run by the grace of God. People defending Keuchel makes me wonder if they were actually watching the game or are they just stuck on the fact he lucked out and just gave up the one run.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 4, 2019 11:28:35 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand is why these managers feel that when the playoffs arrive that they have to go away from their strategy and approach to games that has served them well the whole season. I can understand pulling out all the stops in a one game wild card situation...but in a five or seven game series I just don't understand the need to make all of these "moves" that you know they wouldn't have made during the regular season. I guess in some respects it's to protect against fans like us criticizing them for not doing enough if things go bad. No win situation I guess. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I agree. I think it’s over managing, caused by the pressure of the situation. And the last thing we want is our manager trying to manage more than he normally does. It’s like going to war in a battle of wits with an unarmed man on your side.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 4, 2019 11:32:41 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand is why these managers feel that when the playoffs arrive that they have to go away from their strategy and approach to games that has served them well the whole season. I can understand pulling out all the stops in a one game wild card situation...but in a five or seven game series I just don't understand the need to make all of these "moves" that you know they wouldn't have made during the regular season. I guess in some respects it's to protect against fans like us criticizing them for not doing enough if things go bad. No win situation I guess. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It is a bit of a Catch-22. You're either a genius or a moron. I think what it boils down to is not wanting to put your weakest pitchers in the game no matter what. The problem is, you don't know how guys will adapt to being used differently than they're normally used. It's a tough balance, I would imagine. I mean, last night everything went according to Hoyle for us, and blammo, Martin is sidelined with a friggin' pulled muscle. That was nothing but bad luck, so I'm not blaming Snit for that. Personally, I wouldn't have used Luke there. I'd have gone with Newcomb, who has done well overall, and seemingly extremely well when he begins innings (I have nothing to back that up, but it seems to have been the case). Luke has pitched terribly for the last couple of months, so I wouldn't have used him there. Hell, I wouldn't have had him on the roster....... I don’t think it went according to Hoyle based on Greene being used too early. Or Newcomb or Tomlin being passed over for Luke once we were in that situation. Snitker just loves Luke and believes in him way too much for how poorly he has pitched since the All Star break.
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Post by littlebeast1 on Oct 4, 2019 11:33:58 GMT -5
Look, Keuchel didn't pitch his best, but at the end of the day, he gave up one run in 4 and 2/3rds, so blaming him is stupid, but hey, stupid is what you do, right? Keuchel was so shaky it forced Snitker to go to our pen too early and started the whole bullpen fiasco. He only gave up one run by the grace of God. People defending Keuchel makes me wonder if they were actually watching the game or are they just stuck on the fact he lucked out and just gave up the one run. I watched the game but have to disagree that he was shaky. He was pitching down and getting a lot of ground balls. He walked three but one was intentional and two were followed by double plays, which I think was exactly how Keuchel was playing those situations. And it’s not like the hits he gave up were ropes. He gave us enough to win. The offense didn’t come thru and Martin getting hurt threw the bullpen plans out of whack.
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Post by Fumbduckery on Oct 4, 2019 11:35:43 GMT -5
"These things happen" just doesn't cut it. No, these things don't just happen. Striking out in the bottom of the 9th with the game on the line during the 7th game of the World Series is something that just happens; not hustling out of the box is not something that just happens. Not exactly apologetic, but hopefully GAPOZ got through to him after the game. Like GAPOZ go through to him the last 5 times its happened? I'm not counting on it... no fault of Ozzy, but I'm not. I can’t imagine how it’s going to feel the next time Acuña does it. It was maddening to see him stare at his homer in the ninth, but the next time he doesn’t run and gets held to a single I’m going to blow a gasket. I’ve been calling him down for this since day one, and I still place some blame on Snitker for letting it go on this long.
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