hokiedan
AA prospect
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Post by hokiedan on Oct 4, 2019 7:38:06 GMT -5
We're not a very smart team. We do stupid things and the playoffs magnify their importance. Even with that bad move under our belt, bringing Luke in and then leaving him in after the Goldy bomb just shows how dumb we are. I don't think Luke should even be on the roster, to be honest. He's pitched horribly for a long time now. I'd rather have taken a shot at Wright or Wilson stepping up under the bright lights than carrying Luke. The Acuna thing sucks. It's stupid, it's uncalled for, and it's frustrating as hell, but he did perform well other than that ("that" is unforgivable, though). People have been saying on this board for most of the season that if the Braves had to rely on Luke Jackson in high leverage situations in October it was going to be a short stay in the playoffs. The fact that they were in that situation in the first game, and it virtually cost them the game is a combination of bad luck and game mismanagement. At some point you have to say....are there ANY other alternatives.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 4, 2019 7:49:22 GMT -5
I figure one of 2 things will happen. We will either rally around last night's issues and come out with a take no prisoners attitude and kick ass, or we will let the issues be the story and leave the playoffs with a whimper. I really don't think there's anything in between at this point.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 4, 2019 8:03:08 GMT -5
Are there any alternatives to Luke Jackson in a close game late??
Yes.... Had Greene not just out of the wild blue yonder been used way earlier than we have ever used him... that was an alternative.
Knowing how bad Luke has been lately, Tomlin is an alternative.
We had Newk sitting there... that was an alternative...
We could have left Jackson off the roster... that was an alternative...
Pulling Jackson at the first sign of him being Jackson was an option, but instead we just frakkin' left him in there as he blew the entire lead instead of just making it closer.
There were and are plenty of alternatives.
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 4, 2019 8:07:18 GMT -5
Are there any alternatives to Luke Jackson in a close game late?? Yes.... Had Greene not just out of the wild blue yonder been used way earlier than we have ever used him... that was an alternative. Knowing how bad Luke has been lately, Tomlin is an alternative. We had Newk sitting there... that was an alternative... We could have left Jackson off the roster... that was an alternative... Pulling Jackson at the first sign of him being Jackson was an option, but instead we just frakkin' left him in there as he blew the entire lead instead of just making it closer. There were and are plenty of alternatives. Not starting your worst starter in game one was also an option.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 4, 2019 8:08:13 GMT -5
I figure one of 2 things will happen. We will either rally around last night's issues and come out with a take no prisoners attitude and kick ass, or we will let the issues be the story and leave the playoffs with a whimper. I really don't think there's anything in between at this point. Yes... those are the two obvious things that can happen. I'm just so used to Braves baseball and out dumbass decisions from managers and players that I would place my bet on the former. I have a slightly different 3rd option though.... I think we come out fighting like hell but still just make some bone-headed jackass move that blows it for us.
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 4, 2019 8:10:23 GMT -5
Reminds me of 2010 when Derek Lowe got the ball hwen he wasn’t deserving just because he was the highest paid. I don’t have to remind any of you how that turned out.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 4, 2019 8:17:35 GMT -5
Reminds me of 2010 when Derek Lowe got the ball hwen he wasn’t deserving just because he was the highest paid. I don’t have to remind any of you how that turned out. Look, Keuchel didn't pitch his best, but at the end of the day, he gave up one run in 4 and 2/3rds, so blaming him is stupid, but hey, stupid is what you do, right?
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 4, 2019 8:21:43 GMT -5
Reminds me of 2010 when Derek Lowe got the ball hwen he wasn’t deserving just because he was the highest paid. I don’t have to remind any of you how that turned out. Look, Keuchel didn't pitch his best, but at the end of the day, he gave up one run in 4 and 2/3rds, so blaming him is stupid, but hey, stupid is what you do, right? Oh I didn’t know morons were grading 4 2/3s inning as a quality outing now days, thanks for the lesson.
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Post by Drkirby on Oct 4, 2019 8:23:06 GMT -5
Point is, Keuchel is the reason the pen was trashed. Agree with it or not, if he goes 6/7 there’s a much better chance of the pen holding up.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 4, 2019 8:28:27 GMT -5
Keuchel was way down the list of issues.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on Oct 4, 2019 8:46:59 GMT -5
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 4, 2019 8:56:26 GMT -5
Look, Keuchel didn't pitch his best, but at the end of the day, he gave up one run in 4 and 2/3rds, so blaming him is stupid, but hey, stupid is what you do, right? Oh I didn’t know morons were grading 4 2/3s inning as a quality outing now days, thanks for the lesson. Well then, you haven't been paying much attention to playoff baseball for the past 20 years or so, have you?
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 4, 2019 9:02:08 GMT -5
"These things happen" just doesn't cut it. No, these things don't just happen. Striking out in the bottom of the 9th with the game on the line during the 7th game of the World Series is something that just happens; not hustling out of the box is not something that just happens. Not exactly apologetic, but hopefully GAPOZ got through to him after the game.
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hokiedan
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Hokie - Anthropomorphic turkey-like bird
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Post by hokiedan on Oct 4, 2019 9:14:59 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand is why these managers feel that when the playoffs arrive that they have to go away from their strategy and approach to games that has served them well the whole season. I can understand pulling out all the stops in a one game wild card situation...but in a five or seven game series I just don't understand the need to make all of these "moves" that you know they wouldn't have made during the regular season. I guess in some respects it's to protect against fans like us criticizing them for not doing enough if things go bad. No win situation I guess. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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Post by keystone61 on Oct 4, 2019 9:37:42 GMT -5
The thing I don't understand is why these managers feel that when the playoffs arrive that they have to go away from their strategy and approach to games that has served them well the whole season. I can understand pulling out all the stops in a one game wild card situation...but in a five or seven game series I just don't understand the need to make all of these "moves" that you know they wouldn't have made during the regular season. I guess in some respects it's to protect against fans like us criticizing them for not doing enough if things go bad. No win situation I guess. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. It is a bit of a Catch-22. You're either a genius or a moron. I think what it boils down to is not wanting to put your weakest pitchers in the game no matter what. The problem is, you don't know how guys will adapt to being used differently than they're normally used. It's a tough balance, I would imagine. I mean, last night everything went according to Hoyle for us, and blammo, Martin is sidelined with a friggin' pulled muscle. That was nothing but bad luck, so I'm not blaming Snit for that. Personally, I wouldn't have used Luke there. I'd have gone with Newcomb, who has done well overall, and seemingly extremely well when he begins innings (I have nothing to back that up, but it seems to have been the case). Luke has pitched terribly for the last couple of months, so I wouldn't have used him there. Hell, I wouldn't have had him on the roster.......
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