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Post by Fumbduckery on May 26, 2019 10:19:48 GMT -5
But I think the time for that was long ago, and now that we have the technology let's just use it.
Okay but does that mean you are okay with just taking umps off the field altogether? I mean honestly we have the technology to just flash the results of a play on the jumbotron. In the interest of getting the calls right, yes. So many are missed, and a lot of them really influence important ABs in every game. So I’d like to stop that from happening since we can.
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Post by keystone61 on May 27, 2019 0:22:40 GMT -5
I can't believe some of you are for this. Maybe we should just man the teams with robots. No more injuries, no more errors, no more salaries (just maintenance, software upgrades, etc). Just take the human element out of the equation altogether. We would truly have a perfect game.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 27, 2019 0:47:26 GMT -5
I can't believe some of you are for this. Maybe we should just man the teams with robots. No more injuries, no more errors, no more salaries (just maintenance, software upgrades, etc). Just take the human element out of the equation altogether. We would truly have a perfect game. Well there's a classic over reaction and classic red herring.
Nobody is asking for a drastic change to the way the game is played, just the way balls and strikes are called. Home plate umpires are horrible and there's no reason to put up with that when we have the technology available.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 27, 2019 6:08:16 GMT -5
It's "reductio ad absurdum"; an appeal to the extreme.
I know that argument is taking something to an extreme place that your opinion would never go, but if we can go back and stop somewhere in the middle for a moment.....
Let's take that next doable step I mentioned and take umps off the field altogether, because we could. For me, there comes a point where I don't want to lose the human element. The game has never been perfect in that regard and to some degree it was never meant to be. We have umps with high strike zones and some with low.. some tight, and some wide. Pitchers and hitters adjusting to this has always been part of the game and I don't think that bothers me one bit. I get mad when calls are not right, but I have always stood by the old adage that kind of stuff evens out over the course of the season.
I want consistency when an ump is calling a game, and that's all. I just wish instead of taking this big of a leap, there would be an attempt to just improve what we already have by rewarding/promoting the good umps and demoting or keeping the bad ones from behind the plate. Even if that doesn't happen.. I want to see robo ump in action in a minor league before I would ever say I'm all for it.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 27, 2019 8:13:26 GMT -5
I’ve seen some numbers posted in another forum that show things don’t even out over the course of the season for players or for teams when it comes to bad calls on pitches. I’m too lazy and it’s not important enough for me to find them. And I think that argument is weak when we have the ability to completely eliminate the problem, just my opinion. Why accept that viewpoint when bad calls are affecting the outcome of almost every game played.
I’m not in favor of taking all the umps off the field, I’d let them still call the plays at the bases and keep the replay review system, but make that work better than it does. There would still be an ump behind the plate, he would be told through an earpiece how to call each pitch.
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Post by Hart's Middle Finger on May 27, 2019 9:54:31 GMT -5
I think in the long run that stuff does even out, barring empirical proof otherwise. There is no reason why it shouldn't other than an overwhelming bias against certain teams.
I would still have to see this in action before saying I would be okay with it. I don't have any idea how it would impact games. I also don't know how accurately they could adjust to batter height and stance.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 27, 2019 11:09:52 GMT -5
That's where you can research umpire bias towards certain teams and players. Like I said I'm not going to, I've just seen it discussed in other forums, and have seen numbers posted showing that certain players and certain teams do get a raw deal more than others from umpires.
Couple interesting things I ran across with a quick Google search.....
From that second link:
"In 2018, 55 games ended when umpires made incorrect calls."
Pretty brutal when you consider a team can make or miss the playoffs by one game, and that happens frequently.
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 27, 2019 11:27:02 GMT -5
I do get that there would be issues, I just think they could be ironed out over time. I also think even the issues on start up would be much better than what we currently have.
Interesting read here, I mentioned some of this in an earlier post in this tread:
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Post by keystone61 on May 27, 2019 11:53:58 GMT -5
NO. Period. End of story. 10,000 times NO!! You're nuts if you're for this. Sorry, but you are. Players make bad plays, umps make bad calls. So what? It's part of the game. Instant replay reviews don't work well, why would this?
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 27, 2019 12:05:00 GMT -5
NO. Period. End of story. 10,000 times NO!! You're nuts if you're for this. Sorry, but you are. Players make bad plays, umps make bad calls. So what? It's part of the game. Instant replay reviews don't work well, why would this? Because the strike zone has computer generated accuracy. The instant replay system sucks simply because they don't want to show up the umpires and won't overturn calls. Again comparing apples to oranges.
So yes. Period. End of story. 10,001 times YES!!!
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Post by keystone61 on May 27, 2019 12:36:23 GMT -5
Sorry, bro, but you are just flat out wrong on this one, but by all means, keep doubling down. Doubling down won't keep you from being FLAT OUT WRONG, but at least it shows you strongly believe in this HORRIBLE idea. 😂
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Post by Fumbduckery on May 27, 2019 12:49:49 GMT -5
Sorry, bro, but you are just flat out wrong on this one, but by all means, keep doubling down. Doubling down won't keep you from being FLAT OUT WRONG, but at least it shows you strongly believe in this HORRIBLE idea. 😂 My argument backed up with data and studies, your argument--YOU'RE WRONG!
lol....
And for the record, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, so you don't have to get so wound up, nobody is going to come around and walk on your lawn or anything, I'm just stating my opinion. Oh and backing it up.
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Post by mauibravefan on May 27, 2019 12:55:32 GMT -5
Imo when we already enable replay to overturn calls by the “human,part of the game” element it is foolish to let this inherent error, bias prone component thrive behind the plate.It’s like we know umps make mistakes so let’s fix that so why not with balls and strikes ?
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Post by keystone61 on May 27, 2019 12:58:54 GMT -5
Sorry, bro, but you are just flat out wrong on this one, but by all means, keep doubling down. Doubling down won't keep you from being FLAT OUT WRONG, but at least it shows you strongly believe in this HORRIBLE idea. 😂 My argument backed up with data and studies, your argument--YOU'RE WRONG!
lol....
And for the record, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, so you don't have to get so wound up, nobody is going to come around and walk on your lawn or anything, I'm just stating my opinion. Oh and backing it up.
I'm not wound up at all, just correct, which you might be mistaking for "wound up" 😉 Data and studies mean more to you than to me. I like the GAME, and umps are part of it. You wanna slow the game down even more and drive even more people away from it by using a computer to call balls and strikes? Geezus. LMAO "And behind the plate tonight, we have an Apple Atlas 5000U, better known as PerfectoUmp, which is correct 110% of the time"
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Post by mauibravefan on May 27, 2019 13:21:49 GMT -5
It might attract people to the game by eliminating frustration with bad calls Not sure how it would slow the game.Better a puter than Angel Hernandez
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